Black People : Export of StarWars military program but no bailout for the Black community?

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  1. Ankhur

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    Black farmers still waiting for their legaly agreed upon settlement,
    schools shutting down in our neghborhoods, drugs back on the rise,
    job programs shut down but more prisons created,
    and trillions of dollars for the gangstas that swindled hundred of thousands of sisters and brothers with,
    now verified, illegal subprime loans,
    and many sisters and brothers worrying about what will happen when the uneployment insurance, extensions run out in a jobless environment.

    But guess what Washington has plenty of mega billions to take Ronald Reagans Star Wars program out the crypt,
    and export it to the nations adjacent to to the Indian ocean, particularly Australia, and india


    vIndia: Militarizing Space With U.S. Help

    By Matthew Hoey & Joan Johnson-Freese

    04 November, 2010
    Foreign Policy In Focus

    U.S. President Barack Obama and Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh have a meeting scheduled in Delhi on November 8. Certain to be on the agenda is the removal of the last remaining export controls on U.S. dual-use technology and military hardware to India, including technology appropriate for development of space weapons. Since President Obama pledged in 2009 to seek a ban on space weapons, the United States should not be helping other countries develop these weapons, especially in dangerous regions that have nuclear weapons on hair-trigger alert. But with the final hurdles of export control removed, Washington could be doing just that for India, with so far little or no objection.

    The relationship between the United States and India has been extraordinarily close since 2001. The United States views India as a rising democracy and ally in the fight against radical Islamic fundamentalism. Ten days after 9/11, Washington began to lift sanctions in place against India since its 1998 nuclear tests. Subsequently in 2001 the number of Indian companies on the Commerce Department’s Entity List was reduced to just two from 159.

    Additionally, the U.S. licensing policy with India for nuclear- and missile- related technology changed from “policy of denial” to case-by-case review. Since 2006, delegations from the U.S. defense industry, including large numbers of retired high-ranking military officers, have flocked to India to prospect the $32 billion that has been allocated for defense procurement in 2010-11, with $13 billion of that figure set aside for the acquisition of new weapons systems. These defense industry representatives and retired military officials have served as an informal lobbying firm that continues to actively encourage the U.S. government to drop remaining export restrictions on India organizations like the Indian Space Research Organization (ISRO) and the Defense Research and Development Organization (DRDO). In July 2010, the investment firm Deloitte estimated that India will “spend nearly US$80 billion over the next five years on defense related capital expenditure.”
    India is using space development as a way to advance a stronger geostrategic position in the region and globally. The U.S. defense industry is facilitating this military expansion with its aggressive move in to South Asian markets to supplement reductions in their Pentagon contracts. The potential long-term ramifications of both moves have been neglected in favor of short-term, understandable, gains. Nevertheless, the U.S. arms control community, by failing to address this dangerous situation, is asleep at the wheel.

    India’s “Peaceful” Space Program

    India, not surprisingly, says that its space program is for “peaceful” purposes only. The parallels between India’s nuclear program development and its current space program development, however, suggest otherwise. Former Indian President Abdul Kalam was a key developer and explicator of India’s nuclear and missile programs, as well as its current space vision. His definition of “peaceful” provides India considerable latitude. Kalam once stated that, “In the 3,000-year history of India, barring 600 years, the country has been ruled by others. If you need development, the country should witness peace, and peace is ensured by strength. Missiles were developed to strengthen the country.” This philosophy of peace through strength also provides the rationale for developing a wide range of new and emerging space technologies with far-reaching military applications. India considered its nuclear program peaceful right up to and including its 1974 test. Now, India considers its expanding space program peaceful as well. Despite contrary indications, Washington is apparently also willing to do so.

    India’s space program dates back to the launching of its first sounding rocket in 1963. Recently, however, the character of the Indian program has changed dramatically from utilitarian to more far-reaching. India is developing capabilities, including human exploration of space and expanded utilization of many dual-use technologies, to enhance its geostrategic position. This dual-use space technology can be used not just for military force enhancement but potentially for space weapons as well. Though most Indian politicians profess that India is not pursuing space weapons, some blur the lines. In February 2007, for example, Indian Defense Minister A.K Antony stated that, “It may be difficult to demarcate distinctly between peaceful and military uses. However, we have always advocated peaceful use of technology. Thus, we are of the view that weaponization of space must be discouraged.”

    The Indian military is not so circumspect and in fact at times directly contradicts the politicians. An alarming 2000 report titled “Military Dimensions in the Future of the Indian Presence in Space” caused waves within official circles but drew little international attention, probably due to its lack of availability outside of India. Perhaps most controversial was its suggestion that India could deploy a directed-energy weapon, such as a particle beam weapon, in space by 2010. At the time of publication, the paper’s author, V. Siddhartha, was an officer on special duty in the secretariat of the scientific advisor to the defense minister. The paper is testament to, at the very least, a longstanding interest within the Indian military of deploying not only a space-based laser, but also a kinetic anti-satellite (ASAT) system. Although India clearly has not deployed an ASAT system that utilizes directed energy technology to date, Siddhartha’s forecast of India having the potential to develop an ASAT system still appears officially supported. In January of 2010 Defense Research and Development Organization (DRDO) Director General V K Saraswat stated at the 97th Indian Science Congress that, "India is putting together building blocks of technology that could be used to neutralize enemy satellites.” All the while Indian officials continue to heavily lobby the United States to remove export restrictions on DRDO and ISRO, with a continuingly favorable reaction from the United States.
    Perhaps most clearly and most recently, the Indian ministry of defense published a document that serves as a technological roadmap for the Indian military’s future to the year 2015. This Technology Perspective and Capability Roadmap confirms the pursuit of a formal anti-satellite program, stating “development of ASAT for electronic or physical destruction of satellites in both LEO and GEO-synchronous orbits” as a goal for 2015. Not only is the United States not speaking out against such Indian efforts, it has become more accommodating in providing the technology to accomplish them......


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    Where is Star Wars(SDI) in this report?




     
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    Space Weapon

    Strategic Defense Initiative

    Main article: Strategic Defense Initiative

    On March 23, 1983, President Ronald Reagan proposed the Strategic Defense Initiative,

    a research program with a goal of developing a defensive system which would destroy enemy ICBMs. The defensive system was nicknamed Star Wars, after the movie, by its detractors. Some concepts of the system included Brilliant Pebbles, which were Kinetic Kill Vehicles, essentially small rockets launched from satellites toward their targets (a warhead, warhead bus, or even an upper stage of an ICBM. Other aspects included satellites in orbit carrying powerful lasers or particle beams. When a missile launch was detected, the satellite would fire at the missile (or warheads) and destroy it. Although no real hardware was ever manufactured for deployment (according to public knowledge), today the military is testing the use of lasers mounted on Boeing 747s to destroy missiles. The tests are taking place at Edwards Air Force Base.

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    Space Weapons are not quite the same as Star Wars, there is a difference:

    The idea is not to station the lasers permanently in space, but to launch them only when satellite observations show that an enemy attack is already under way. The X-ray lasers would be launched from submarines, and would then be quickly boosted into orbit where they would be aimed and fired accordingly and automatically.

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    I have heard that "above top secret" is a white conspircy forum, where folks off the street come in and talk about UFOs reptilians and Men in Black, run by a guy named john Lear, son of the Lear jet, magnate

    a man who claims that there is air and water on mars and venus and there are people there as well

    I could be wrong but not only is wikipedia a better source of information ut it is pretty much common knowledge that the terms miltirization of space were never used until Reagan's Star Watrs plan, and the terms are synonymous

    The Indian military is not so circumspect and in fact at times directly contradicts the politicians. An alarming 2000 report titled “Military Dimensions in the Future of the Indian Presence in Space” caused waves within official circles but drew little international attention, probably due to its lack of availability outside of India. Perhaps most controversial was its suggestion that India could deploy a directed-energy weapon, such as a particle beam weapon, in space by 2010. At the time of publication, the paper’s author, V. Siddhartha, was an officer on special duty in the secretariat of the scientific advisor to the defense minister. The paper is testament to, at the very least, a longstanding interest within the Indian military of deploying not only a space-based laser, but also a kinetic anti-satellite (ASAT) system. Although India clearly has not deployed an ASAT system that utilizes directed energy technology to date, Siddhartha’s forecast of India having the potential to develop an ASAT system still appears officially supported. In January of 2010 Defense Research and Development Organization (DRDO) Director General V K Saraswat stated at the 97th Indian Science Congress that, "India is putting together building blocks of technology that could be used to neutralize enemy satellites.” All the while Indian officials continue to heavily lobby the United States to remove export restrictions on DRDO and ISRO, with a continuingly favorable reaction from the United States.
    Perhaps most clearly and most recently, the Indian ministry of defense published a document that serves as a technological roadmap for the Indian military’s future to the year 2015. This Technology Perspective and Capability Roadmap confirms the pursuit of a formal anti-satellite program, stating “development of ASAT for electronic or physical destruction of satellites in both LEO and GEO-synchronous orbits” as a goal for 2015.
     
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    While we may have disagreeable disagreement, I still maintain non-synchronicity between the two phrases, Space Weapons and Star Wars; what is clear however, is that it will be no picnic at Hyderabad:

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    what ever one wants to call it the GOP, the old Reaganites, and the Bush clan are more then pleased, and there are about 100 posts that discuss how democrats and progressives as well as ecologists had protested against the weaponization of space

    On Democray now today
    (audio avaialble and video;
    www.democracynow.org)

    it was stated that a military contractor was the first person to great the president as he got off the plane

    Reagan and Bush were the idiots that dreamed up the idea of space based weapons,
    generaly termed in the media as Star Wars

    President Ronald Reagan proposed the Strategic Defense Initiative,


    everyone has a right to believe that yams grow on trees, and that
    chickens are raised in salt water tanks like tropical fish,
    but
    there are basic references like wikipedia that clear things up especialty when it comes to devices
    thatdestroy human life;

    from Wikipedia;

    a research program with a goal of developing a defensive system which would destroy enemy ICBMs. The defensive system was nicknamed Star Wars, after the movie, by its detractors. Some concepts of the system included Brilliant Pebbles, which were Kinetic Kill Vehicles, essentially small rockets launched from satellites toward their targets (a warhead, warhead bus, or even an upper stage of an ICBM. Other aspects included satellites in orbit carrying powerful lasers or particle beams.


    and who is that white guy with the glasses and why is he still in the White house?
     
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    Notice how the GOP are doing their old slick, Chancelor Palpatine routine,
    while they lie about the amount of money spent for the presidential trip and the number of the entourage to India,

    they take secret pacts and oaths not to talk about or mention this Star Wars ish wich enriches thier benfactors,
    or this ish
    that puts the spot light on one of their benefactors;

    AMY GOODMAN: What are your demands? Why are you protesting President Obama’s visit?

    SATHYU SARANGI:
    We were demanding positive action from President Obama on the continuing crimes of Union Carbide and Dow Chemical [inaudible] Bhopal. We wanted to tell him that it is his moral responsibility, as he promotes American business in India, to also ensure that American corporations abide by Indian law and Indian courts and to do something about Union Carbide’s absconding for the last 18 years and for Dow Chemical refusing to clean up in Bhopal and refusing to accept the jurisdiction of Madhya Pradesh state high court for the last five years.


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    Of course a military contractor would be the first person to great the president as he got off the plane;

     
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    Nevertheless, Obama and Big Business(some 250 business executives) continue to pursue Jobs as the top agenda in India.

     
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