*Because the original thread is closed, I started a new one to address a few points*...The title of your thread was "Evidence of the Black Poisoned Mind;" and I wanted to give my own p.o.v. on your points here....This is not an attack on you but rather some thoughts to ponder about "poisoned Black minds" and our views of each other and our relationships with each other..... Although, yes, in some areas and arenas, Blacks did accomplish all these things you mentioned; but, in the North and South, Blacks were still, largely, economically dependent on White society.----Everybody wasn't a part of the "Talented Tenth."---Northern and Southern Blacks were still, largely, in low-paying job positions, serving white people in some way. We were maids and janitors and pullman-porters and cooks and share-croppers and other subservient employment. So, in the North and in the South, Black people were still "lickin' boots" and kow-towin' and "Yassuh-ing" to White people in order to keep their jobs to provide for their families. During the "Great Migration/Exodus" of Blacks from the South, some went North to NY, NJ, MA, DC, MD,...and found white supremacy there too. --Some Blacks went West to CA and found white supremacy there....Some went to IL and MI and found it there too.....Everywhere Black people traveled to from the South, when they DID find jobs, those jobs were also often LOWER in pay than their White co-workers. And, I said all of this because too often we separate ourselves in a "North-vs-South" mentality. Many Blacks found that going NORTH was not the "Promised Land" they thought it would be, and when they got there, with all of the over-crowded populations and slums and tenements and often COULDN'T FIND A JOB because they competed with the EUROPEAN IMMIGRANTS also flooding into the US, they found out the North was no better for Blacks than the South was. The NORTH had LYNCHINGS just as in the South. Black men in the North also came up MISSING, never seen again, left for dead somewhere or found floating in a river. --In 1920, three Black men were lynched in DULUTH, MINNESOTA. --In 1939, Malcolm X's father was killed by the KKK... in NEBRASKA. "Colorism" did not just exist only in the South....Also in the North, lighter-skinned Blacks were given opportunities that darker-skinned Blacks were not....This was evident in Northern education, Northern employment, and even their entertainment....At the famous Cotton Club, Blacks could entertain there but weren't allowed in the front door as patrons; and the Black female dancers had to be "Tall, TAN, and Terrific."---meaning they had to be LIGHT-SKINNED. And the light-skinned-vs-dark-skinned mentality, still goes on today in the North and the South...by White people because they feel more comfortable with lighter-skinned Blacks, closer to their color and/or features....and, sadly, by some Black people because that's what we have been conditioned to think/feel/believe. I have a problem with your implications here...Yes, Rosa Parks was a light-skinned woman; but those other two women were not used NOT because of their darker color but because the CRM needed someone to hold up to White society that they could not DISCREDIT.....And here was Rosa Parks, a 42 y/o Black woman, married, settled, and Christian to appeal to the hearts/minds of White folks about the injustices to Black people. Claudette Colvin, was a pregnant, unwed, teenager who had refused her seat just 9 months before Rosa; but the CRM leaders didn't want to use her in its campaign because they knew white folks would slay the victim, that they would DISCREDIT her for being an unwed, pregnant teenager.---It would have FED the already present White stereotypes of Black sexuality and Black women being promiscuous....It had NOTHING to do with her SKIN COLOR. And, I must disagree with you here on the skin-tones of the Civil Rights leaders....Yes, there were some light-skinned Blacks in the CRM; but they were not a part of the movement because of their skin color. 1. M.L. King was NOT light-skinned. 2. Fannie Lou Hamer was NOT light-skinned. 3. Ralph Abernathy was NOT light-skinned. 4. Fred Shuttlesworth was NOT light-skinned. 5. Bayard Rustin, Medgar Evers, and many others were not light-skinned. Most were BROWN-skinned men and women and some were DARK-skinned. And those Black men, women and children who were beaten, bitten by dogs, water-hosed and jailed in the marches, sit-ins, bus rides and voter registrations were LIGHT-skinned AND DARK-skinned Blacks. . But your implications are that they chose lighter-skinned Black people for the movement in order to cater to white people.. Being "LIGHT-skinned" did not save any Black man or woman from the KKK.