Black People : Establishing Black Nations

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  1. karmashines

    karmashines Banned MEMBER

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    One of the viewpoints demonstrated here is that establishing a black nation will help alleviate the problems blacks suffer around the world of racism. Well, the question posed here is what are the 'baby' steps individuals can realistically take to start such a venture?

    I have actually seen ads in a 'rich people' magazine where multi-millionaires could buy their own islands. So, for those that feel such approach is necessary, it is possible for wealthy individuals to even jumpstart the idea by buying an island. If people are able to collect funds, well, this is another way that island could be sought.

    What are other ideas do you think should be considered?
     
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    panafrica Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    There are dozens of black nations already in existance in Africa and the Caribbean; as well as dozens of towns in the US, Europe, and South America where blacks are the majority. Therefore it isn't necessary to establish new ones. The challenge for black people is and always has been, to take advantage of what we already have (what we've been blessed with)! Indeed our goal is to gain full control of the abundant economic resources that are present in the countries and towns where blacks have political control, but still depend economically on non-black countries or communities. In black neighborhoods, the first step is to buy as much property in the neighborhood as humanly possible; instead of renting, as too many blacks currently do. Almost anyone can buy property in the US, including people with bad credit and bankruptcy on their records (I'm a Real Estate Agent, so I know that for a fact). Examine what needs are not being met in the community, and build companies to satisfy those needs. There should be no need for anyone in the black community to have to go outside in order to satisfy a basic need: Food, Clothing, Education, Medical, Housing, Employment, etc. There doesn't have to be one of each kind, build many and let the natural process of competition improve the customer service and product quality of these businesses. Lastly blacks need to take advantage of the political process to elect leaders who are actually working for their behalf, and throw out those who aren't (whether they are black or not).

    Although in many cases this strategy is more difficult to initiate in Africa, the same plan needs to be followed there. I wrote in another thread on this same subject: Africa desperately needs black investors...people to bring financing & news ideas to the continent. Africa is currently suffering from a "brain drain". Some of the most brilliant engineers, architects, doctors, and lawyers in the world are African. However, the overwhelming majority do not live in Africa. Europeans are only interested in extracting Africa's rich mineral resources (Oil, Gas, Diamonds, Gold, Rubber, etc) and in maintaining specialty plantations like Cocoa. Europeans only maintain the amount of infastructure (roads, bridges, utilites, etc) necessary for them to extract the resources they want. They are not interested in the "quality of life" of Africans. This disinterest creates a gap that desperately needs to be filled. There is no reason why other black people (African Americans in particular) can not fill this gap.

    Investing in Africa isn't charity, it is an unprecidented business opportunity. Many skills which African Americans possess...many of the resources we have are needed in Africa. African Americans have skills in construction, auto repair, carpentry, computer technology, education, farming, engineering, medical care, and food services Indeed, African Americans are well known in these types of industries. We often do this work for white owned companies at minimum wage or barely above it. Or we open our own companies and struggle to stay in business because competition is too strong in America. In the US there are very few needs which aren't being met. As I previously stated, this is not the case in Africa: Africa needs people to build local roads...farms...plumbing...retail stores...electricians...houses...auto mechanics. Africa needs grocery stores...restaurants...clothing ...pharmacys...contraceptives...hotels...auto mechanics Africans needs hospital equipment...farming equipment...doctors...nurses...teachers...waste disposal specialist. Again many of the areas Africa needs, African Americans already specialize in. Instead of doing these services for minimum wage in America or opening your own business and struggling to stay alive, because there are 20 similar business in a 3 mile radius. Why not open that same business or perform that same service in Africa and become an innovator (be the only person in town or the entire country with that business)? The only major challenge to doing this throughout all of Africa is that many of their leaders are oppressive tyrants, who stifle the progress of their nations. However not every country in Africa faces this restriction. Also many of these tyrants are old and close to death. New leadership and proper vision can turn around the social-economic reality in Africa very quickly.
     
  3. Omowale Jabali

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    To answer your question directly, I answer YES, "it is possible for wealthy individuals to even jumpstart the idea by buying an island."

    I also suggest it is possible for Black folks to form economic cooperatives, invest in major corporations, or even the federal government, then totally withdrawing and switching to foreign capital investment and bankrupting various sectors (economic sabotage), then re-investing and taking over those sectors...

    Combined "Black America" is estimated to be the SIXTH "Richest" NATION in the World...one of the highest per capita incomes....total assets and Net Worth...one of the highest median income levels...so any concentration of wealth would serve to improve our condition dramatically..

    I will keep re-iterating this point....get your FAMILIES together and INVEST, INVEST, INVEST in LAND...."LAND is the Basis of ALL Revolution"...whether that be an island in the Caribe, a tract in New Mexico, a resort in Niagara Falls, a Ranch in Wyoming or a camping site in British Columbia...

    *Only passing along what was passed on to me and the one thing I KNOW works, from MY OWN personal experience as well.*

    Peace!
    "O".
     
  4. Riada

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    The idea of getting family members together is an EXCELLENT idea IF your family has members who think along these lines and IF they can get along with each other. Sadly, many AA family members don't. Not only aren't many family members not progressive in this way, they also don't know how to get along with each other. A LOT OF THE POTENTIAL THAT AA'S HAVE IS LOST DUE TO INTRA-FAMILIAL CONFLICT. This is a major factor that's at the root of large clusters of us NOT coming together to uplift ourselves. We can't gloss over this.

    So, yes, we can definitely build a Black nation, but we have to be honest about our seeming inability to get along with each other. This makes us not like each other, not trust each other, and want to stay away from each other. We then tend to run off into other communities.

    We need to study other ethnic groups. What social, emotional and cultural mechanisms do they use that help them to get along with each other from day to day, month to month, year to year? What are other solutions? I KNOW I definitely don't want to be around anybody, let alone build anything with anybody, no matter what color, that I must fight with constantly.
     
  5. Omowale Jabali

    Omowale Jabali The Cosmic Journeyman PREMIUM MEMBER

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    I understand your sentiment concerning INTRA-FAMILIAL CONFLICT and believe everything concerning NATION BUILDING entails extensive Political Education, family counseling and SPECIAL "re-education".

    I present you to just one example of a program geared towards this "re-education". It is the theory and practice of SERVICE-LEARNING.


    http://www.smc.edu/servicelearning/facultyresources/assignment.htm
     
  6. Riada

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    Thanks. I will certainly check this out. We have such a wealth of knowledge here!!
     
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    there are many black nations in Africa.
    no one wants to live there, why?
    tyrants, corruption and such all result from bad mindsets.
    the good news is that minds can be changed by education.
    we need to be about reeducating ourselves such that the next generation does not make the mistakes that we have made.
     
  8. karmashines

    karmashines Banned MEMBER

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    Excellent thoughts.

    It is my personal belief that everything we need to accomplish can be done right here in America with a network to Africa and the Carribbean. So I agree with many of Pan's points about establishing economic independence in every area of life; hospitals, utility companies, etc. This really is important for building any type of infrastructure.

    I also agree with Om's point about buying land and Riada's point on resolving family conflict.

    However, there are still some mindsets that believe that establishing a separate nation is necessary. And I can understand the perspective (even if I don't agree with it entirely), because would it be possible to build infrastructures without absolutely any reliance on non-black sources with the current state of the black economy in America and Africa? Even if we got everything together economically, we still woudl have to contend with the government, which is not directly in our control. And even in Africa there are governments that are either corrupt (as James pointed out) and/or under white or Arab domination in some form. So with a 'new' nation, at least people would get a chance to start fresh; create and control their own laws without outside interference.

    It is also important to remember that a 'new' nation would hopefully bring together mindsets that were already 'progressive', and willing to see the importance of uniting regardless of various differences, especially ethnic wise. With other approaches, additional work might have to be done to get rid of biases that could prevent people from building.
     
  9. Omowale Jabali

    Omowale Jabali The Cosmic Journeyman PREMIUM MEMBER

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    This link is an example of how SERVICE-LEARNING PROGRAMS can be linked to Community Service at the local level involving Black college/university students and Black community-oriented service agencies. This link gives a brief description of the department I was affiliated with as a graduate student and a project I founded, the AFRICAN EDUCATION PROJECT.

    http://www.ucop.edu/sas/student_affairs_and_services/community_service_los_angeles.htm
     
  10. Riada

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    It's GREAT to get all of this information and I hope that all who are serious about actually building a Black nation are reading it. As you and James are saying, we need to re-educate ourselves which to me translates into re-program ourselves.

    I think African culture has many wonderful aspects, but the bad thing about any old culture is that it is resistant to new ideas, creativity or change. That can be seen as a positive and a negative, but change is necessary for growth and survival.
     
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