Black People : Eminem's latest

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  1. aretha

    aretha Member MEMBER

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    Most of you have read the lyrics he wrote at 21 about black women and his prediction that he would enrich himself off of cultural banditry simply because of his "blue eyes." Russell Simmons wrote an apology almost before the lyrics were made public. The Source people who published the lyrics are said to be suspect because this is part of a longstanding beef. Could this be worse than Snoop Dogg and his Sistas on dog leashes? If ya don't know, the full story is at www.daveyd.com, including an editorial he wrote about it. Should he be taken to task, ignored, or continue to pimp "hardcore" rappers like 50 cent? I read where the "N" word was even played on the Victoria's Secret fashion show in the lyrics of a rap song on regular ol' t.v. How much more long, how long?
     
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    I know that some black people feel anger towards Eminem or that he cheated them because they have bought his music only to find out that he habors resentment towards blacks (particularly black women). Personally I feel neither, because I have never supported Eminem or his music. I have never supported Eminem nor any white rapper before him (Vanilla Ice, Third Base, Beastie Boys, etc.), because I view them with suspicion: Throughout the 20th century whites have repeatedly entered black music forms (usually with the help of a naive-money hungry Negro) and took over.

    We have seen this with Jazz, with Rock & Roll, with Disco, and now with Hip Hop. It is difficult to even find a modern Black Jazz or Rock & Roll group. Not only that but one of the main reasons Hip Hop was founded was to create an alternative to Disco, which was being invaded by white artist. White artist are usually less talented than Black artist, but achieve fame and credibility by copying us. They rarely give credit to the original artist, and are often found to harbor resentment towards their Black founders. This was my suspicion about Eminem, and he confirmed them with this "missing" song.

    I made comparisons of Eminem to Elvis when I first heard his music. It's ironic that he compares himself to the "King". Eminem knows the formula to success in music: Get a foolish black artist to sponsor you, copy his style, start with a black fan base, then switch to a white one, sit back a make more money than a black artist could ever dream of. I give one thing to Eminem he knows his history, unfortunately too many of us don't. Which is why we keep holding the door for these people to come into our house and take over.

    The only thing that has disturbed me with this episode is the number of black folk that are calling into radio shows still supporting this man's music. Many point out that black male rappers have disrespected black women also. Disrespect towards blacks period should never be tolerated. However a white man disrespecting sistas needs to be strung up, especially when he eats off of our invention. In reality Eminem won't be hurt by this incident because his current fan base is mostly white. I would just encourage black people to not support his music
     
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    SOULDEEP3 Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    IT'S ALL ABOUT SUBMITTING TO the TRUTH

    I have supported BEASTIE BOYS,3rd Bass{& Everlast,even though I've never bought any of his material, I still respect him as an artist for releasing a song called "Black Jesus"} for being creative & respecting OUR MUSIC by DISPLAYING that respect to the WORLD. The Beastie boys have an album called ILL COMMUNICATIONS{with a song w/Q-tip called "Get it Together" on it }INSIDE the cover, they have ARTWORK on the ORIGINS of HUMANITY: US, BLACKMAN,BLACKWOMAN & BLACK CHILD.....THAT CAN NEVER BE UNDONE,because it's already HISTORICAL{the album's release was in 1994}.3rd Bass's{mainly MC Serch} GAS FACE let it be known that " it was NIGHT waaaaay before the LIGHT"....& he's Jewish saying this,but TRUTH is TRUTH. Have you ever LISTENED to HIS verse in the GASFACE? Nothing but the TRUTH....TO THE WORLD. Eminem on the otherhand,I DON'T TRUST'UM,because I feel he has an ELVIS agenda that he's gonna pull on us whenever he 's ready....question is, how are WE going to COUNTERATTACK this?
     
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    PLEASE!

    Be Mad with Eminem, who will get a great Whitey Boost from this, when BLACK MALES have gotten rich on doing the very same thing---HOW DID HE KNOW THAT THIS IS AND WAS ACCEPTABLE IN THE BLACK COMMUNITY?

    From US

    They study what we do, hang around us to learn how to do, and then they resale it to us--- Where did he learn that?

    DR. DRE', SNOOP DOGGY DOG, AND ALL THE REST OF THE
    BLACK USERS AND ABUSERS....


    Power to the People!

    Em- is showing you people, just like J-lo showed you people; they not you-- You just made them rich and accepted--FOOLS
     
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    We love entertainment...period. We love to entertain and be entertained. We are the most forgiving people. We stare in amazement and 'respect' at every white boy that wants to be like us or any woman with T&A and long straight hair shaking her rear end for all she's worth to music with a beat...and she doesn't even have to have much rhythm to be admired either. We've been down this road time and time again throughout our history in America and we still haven't figured it out. They're gonna take what we do for fun and attach dollar signs to it every time. They are not modest, ashamed of plagarizing our inventions or downright stealing our work from us. Well I guess it's only stealing if they take from you without your permission. In many instances we just hand our ideas over to them like little children saying, see daddy, see what I can do? If they see you do something, they don't have to think they can do it better, they just say, hey, I see where I can make some money and use us to do just that, leaving us standing and looking (and feeling) dumb with our mouths hanging open. :eek: ... then you wanna get upset when they sell your ideas :flame: and then treat you like they don't know you or could care less about you. Yes, so upset that you need to go spend some more money...usually to purchase their latest CD to hear what all the controversy is about. Isn't it interesting that the KKK has also evolved over time? They no longer have to spend $$ on white sheets and waste time cutting holes in it. Why waste time burning crosses to send a hate message? They're bold enough to stand nose-to-nose with you these days and make money doing it! Is this sick or what?

    Who was it that said that "chickens always come home to roost"?
     
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    all of mainsteam rap is
    messed up in my eyes...
    so i pay it no mind...none at all
    i aint mad at m&m...
    because disrespect'n ya own
    is way worse that disprespect'n another...
    be mad at all da fake black rappers
    that dis black women on da daily...
    where do you think he learned it from
    us...
    peace
    khasm
     
  7. Emeka

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    Ahh this is becoming ridiculous!!! How many times will black people continue to accept disrespect and insults from others before we learn? This business of taking over things black is NOT new at all. Whites have always tried to claim great things, which blacks have done. This starts back from our civilizations, our inventions, our culture, and even down to our style of dress. And the worst thing about it is that we have always invited them amongst us, even when it was blatantly to our detriment. There are countless examples of what I'm talking about. It is often said that the greatest strength of any man is also his greatest weakness. Well our strength/weakness has always been that as a people we are too trusting and accepting of foreigners into our midst. Even prior to slavery and colonization this was the case. I won't do so now, but if you want me to give examples tell me and then in my next post I'll explain what I mean.

    Now moving on to the in case of Eminem. Any clear eyed person with a reasonable knowledge of history and black psychology could have told you how rap would turn out from the beginning. Vanilla Ice, J-Lo, Justin Timberlake, Elvis Presley...even Kid Rock-have all used black music to make themselves bigger and then disown us. But yet when somebody stands up to this mess he/she is called a "reverse" racist who's tying to spoil the harmonious "communication" going on between the two race. Yet black people never stop to think: "Hold on wait a minute, how come Whites can enter and make money off our genre but we can't enter theirs?" When was the last time you heard of a black country singer or an all black heavy metal band? I'll tell you...NEVER!!! Yet when these type of questions are asked they fob you off with the "but blacks don't listen to these kind of music" line. Yeh right, like black people our one big homogenous group who all have the same taste in everything. Isn't it unfair how a white artists using black music like J-Lo, Justin Timberlake and Eminem get their music played in stations both targeted at white and black audiences, whilst black artists' only get played by those aimed at the latter.

    Now in saying this I'm in no way a supporter of the derogatory images portrayed and embellished by the mainstream hip-hop artist. The glorification of black inferiority complex (aka ghetto mentality) is a story that goes waaaaaaay back. Hip-hop was not the first kind of music we produced that praised our "peculiar" way of thinking. Back in the day rock-n-roll and jazz also glorified certain stereotypes of blacks; believe it or not hip-hop is only following the tradition. When you have others like Eminem-or the guy who made that game board Ghettopoly-deriding us...then you know WE have a problem! The problem is not so much others who choose to denigrate us, but ourselves who allow them to get away with! For example, when J-Lo received some heat for using the n-word in one of her track. She acted like she had a right to say it and even had the nerve to say that her music was not influenced by black culture! What?! When you count how many tracks she "borrowed" from black artists and those who wrote her songs-she must be the dumbest person on Earth! Despite this you find black people buying her records, watching her films and wearing her clothes. What a shame.
     
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    pdiane


    You are so right, Chancelor Williams, in "The Destruction of Black Civilization" wrote that we as a people are too cosmopolitan, to inclusive, that is one of the reasons for our destruction.
     
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    pdiane

    Chancelor Williams in his prolific book "The Destruction of Black Civilization" wrote that one of the reasons for our destruction was that we were too cosmopolitan, too inclusive with our enemies. We want to share with them everything we do and know, although they have a history of plagarizing and stealing.
     
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    ^5 pdiane...I remember you from the pre-Viacom BET message board days...good2cu again!

    :cool:
     
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