Pan Africanism : East African Federation by 2010

Discussion in 'Black History - Culture - Panafricanism' started by Therious, May 24, 2007.

  1. Therious

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    The concept of an East African Federation is a good concept, no doubt. But, the timing worries me. It's been nearly fifty years, now. That is plenty of time to set up any kind of regional federations. The Ghana-Guinea-Mali Union was set up way back in the 1960's. So, what took the East African Federation so long?

    What kind of East Africa is this anyhow? East Africa consists of more than three little countries. Where is Eritrea? Where is Somalia and Djibouti? Where is Sudan, the biggest country in East Africa, in Africa, period? We know that historically Ethiopia has been aligned with the real Pan-Africanists. The headgarters of the African Union is in Addis Ababa. We do not yet know if the Bush Gang will permit the new regime in Addis Ababa to continue their Pan-Africanist ways. But, it sure seems odd that Ethiopia is not a part of East Africa these days.

    I could not download the site you gave. But, the whole concept of East African Federation reminds me of the Brazaville Group and the Monrovia Group when the Ghana-Guinea-Mali Union was proclaimed. The only thing that prevented Africa from being fragmented into small, non-viable little regional federations at that time was the emergence of the Casablanca Group. The Casablanca Group called for continental unity and led to the formation of the Organization of African Unity. The OAU led to the African Union.

    Right now, we are working very hard to have continental unity by 2009. I certainly hope that the concept of regional federations does not sap away our momentum towards continanetal unity. I would not be surprised to find the Bush Gang supporting such a move. There is much too much going on now to allow ourselves to be sidetracked aqnd have our attention diverted by all kinds of anarchy with everybody going in different directions. Let's concentrate all of our resources, time and energy towards African Union. African Union is moving forward rapidly. The only thing that could stop us would be our own misguided actions.

    If the Europeans can do a European Union; plus we have a North American Free Trade Agreement, and all that; why not a United States of Africa and Arabia?
     
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    I will try to find another web site with info. You raise some good points. I would be concerned with including arabs in anything black people do, they cannot be trusted, they still need to be "payed back" for there hatred and violence towards black people. I am in the U.S. so I do not know the real vibe on the continent, I would like to see one unified continent, at leasst seperate sates under one flag.
     
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    I feel you, African. I see your point and I respect your viewpoint. But, I never lump all of any group of people into one neat little category. Even the imperialists deserve some human consideration.

    As for the Arabs, we are stuck with them. They are too closely related to us to be dis-regarded totally. But, I understand that there are conflicting interests among the various groups in Africa. There are indeed some black-shin Africans that I do not trust. (My religion will not permit me to name them here. But, I am sure they know who I am talking about.) Africa is already more or less federated. That is what the African Union is: a federation, or more precisely a confederation. There is much to give to those who advacate a tighter structure. But, in order to overcome the hesitancy that has been created to prevent African and Arab re-unification, a federation between Arabia and Africa would probably work. At any rate, I am proposing that the Arab League of States join us while reatining it's status as an advocate and protector of Arab interests. At the same time, African Union can be structured to protect Africans from Arabs. With such a federal structure, there will no longer be any basis for conflict between Africans and Arabs. The important thing is to find a formula that unites Africa. Africa includes the Arabian Peninsula.

    From an economic standpoint, we need maximum cooperation between Arab oil interests and African oil interests. It makes no sense for us to waste our energy hating Arabs when the real enemy is under-selling us. They will approach the Arabs for say $50,00 a barrel. If the Arabs beg for $51.00 a barrel of oil, they will run to the Nigerians and offer $50.50. And vice versa. They play Africans off against Arabs and vice versa. Does this benefit Africans? Does it benefit Arabs? Well, it sure benefits the enemy. We need to get smart and stop being played like this. If the Arabs are too stupid to wake up, that is no excuse for us not waking up.

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    i see you working, I too believe any uniting among countries is good even if small. Take the world cup for instance, now I am an american football fan first and formost, but watching the cup I thought man, if these black countries were bigger they could wreck shop, the talent pool was too diluted, I think that syndrome bleeds into many instances and situations. Again i am an outsider looking in however.
     
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    You are an African. Period.

    What we fail to see, sometimes, is that we Africans are such a large and beautiful people. In any African community in the USA we can see Africans who have white skin, yellow skin, brown skin and Black skin. We are all Africans. Period. What unites us is our culture, not our shin color. This is why it makes no sense to divide ourselves along skin color whether we are in Africa or in Ameirca or any other part of the world.

    If we look at East Africa, we see the same thing. White skin Africans. Yellow skin Africans. Brown Skin Africans. Black skin Africans. I believe that it was a foolish mistake to expell the brown skin Muslims from East Africa in the 1970's. This casued problems that still plaque us to this day. (http://destee.com/forums/showthread.php?p=480485#post480485) You cabn take any part of Africa and find the same thing. In North Africa, we find Whire skin Africans. Yellow skin Africans. Brown skin Africans. Black skin Africans. So, why not East Africa unite with North Africa?
     
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    By white do you mean european? Arabs are worse of an enemey than europeans. uniting with arabs or europeans would ony create a repeat of his-story that is the whites stabbing the blacks in the back and the greedy taking payoffs from the white.we must take pride in dealing with only us, I saw no white or pink coaches for the korean, chinese, or asian teams.

    i believe that calling white people African or the "we all from Africa" theory is a major mistake. They are europeans, and are our bitter enemey. we shouldn't assist in any way in helping them lay claim to our land.

    there is one black and one African which is black or brown light or dark.
     
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    I respect your belief. But, Arabs are simply not Europeans. All Arabs have an African bloodline through the Holy Prophatess Hagar (Peace and Blessins be upon her). Also, we as Africans have blodd ties to our neighbors in the Asian countires of the Pacific and Indian Oceans. These Asiatic ties do not equates with Arabs alone. They include Africans all over Africa. They are particalarly noticeable in such places as Madagascar, Solomon Islands, Ethiopia, Soamlia and several other countries. These are in addition to such coubtries as Algeria and Tunisia. But, there is absolutely no clear dividing line between those with Asian bloodlines and brownish complexions and dark skin Africans. All Arab contries have dark skin Africans. Plus, several dark skin countries are member-states in the Arab League of States. In fact, all of the roayal families in the Arab countries have defineite African connections including very dark complexxions and kinky hair. The only light skin ruler in the Arab countries is King Abdullah of Jordan whose mother. Queen Nur is British. His father King Huesein was very dark with kinky hair.

    We need to avouid allowinf ourselves to be divided. I receive a lot of hate and abuse for holding this view. But, I am convinced that this is ther only way to successfully Unifiofy Africa. Otherwise, our enemy benfits from us fighting among ourselves all of the time.
     
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    First I will state those asiatic blacks you mention. i have read things on the web that are very distturbing. Especially somolians that is the arab mixed somolians attitudes towards bantu, Kenyans blacks ect.

    2nd i guess i was trying to say , whitebskinned are Arab, there are extremely light arabs that almost look white. look at the new "leaders" of iraq.

    I have no love for Arabs, they are not our brothers, they hate us more than we know. They have a long history and CURRENT record of killing our unarmed men, and raping our women and CHILDREN. They are an ancient enemey of the black man, and should be murdered tortured and enslaved as they have done to us!!!

    >>>have you seen the video of those dirty no deodarant using bastards spraying Sudanese refugees with a water hose? as the boars did in alabama in the civil rights era? this happened a few months back, these egyptians hate Sudanese cause they are black!<<<

    >>>egytians arab egyptians have been defacing and destroying our ancestors tombs and statues in egypt for far to long. They should die for this!!<<<<

    As for black arabs, the Sudan should speak for its self, they (black arabs) are also an enemey to "us". They should be murdered, tortured, and strung up for their crimes, bring one to me I'll do it!!

    Now I am an American citizen never left the country (yet!!) so there are living conditions and relationships I am not aware of. Like a Palestinian told my relative while they were both incarcirated, that Jericho, is a black city and that is where people in the mid east go to party. So real recognizes real, are they all haters? no. In any situation there are individuals, and exceptions. But over all they seek to steal what Africans have and they don't. They come from the sand they had nothing , what they have is stolen land as the Europeans. It is not just Arabs, my friend was a teacher in venezuela, the same people that would be called dirty wet backs, spic, or mexican here scribbled kkk on her desk. There is no love or respect for African people anywhere in this world, we should always be on our p's and q'ss and ready to defend against any non-black person, (or some black persons as well these days!).

    There is only one-African Dark skinned-period. These days also, brown, med brown, high yellow, albinno ect. But a European or Arab are white and are not African, no matter how long they have been living in their current location.
     
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    http://www.mafhoum.com/press3/103S21.htm

    Check this link above, it is about a Sudanese street vendor who was stabbed by some stinking towel head. Thats how they feel of blacks, this has been going on for thousands of years. KMT was a black nation, Nubia ect, this is an ancient war!!
     
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