Black Spirituality Religion : Dr.Karenga

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  1. Music Producer

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    Interesting facts and info.

    http://www.christocentric.com/Kwanzaa/cntrdct.htm

    http://www.christocentric.com/Kwanzaa/nguzosb.htm

    I have also seen these exact words and belief repeated on this board……..


    "Belief in spooks who threaten us if we don't worship them and demand we turn over our destiny and daily lives must be categorized as spookism and condemned." pg 27


    Does this not attack all religious thought from ancient Egypt to modern day Christianity?

    I have seen that exact word “spookism” used in attempts to label and belittle the Old Testament or Holy Scriptures doctrine and ideology by those who have not realized and or recognized that ancient Egyptian ideology and Old Testament ideology are both based on the same form of concepts. Words like “praise”, “worship” “protection” and “fear of” originate from Egyptian ideology as we can see in Utterance 574.

    Several on this board have tried to disassociate such words from Egyptian ideology and use the white-man as a scapegoat for inventing these words. Our ancestors recorded every aspect of their life, ideology and belief and carved those concepts in stone, in temples and even took those concepts to their graves by recording them in tombs. Due to this over abundance of documentation written by our ancestors it makes it very difficult for the white-man to lie about the information but on the flip side of this it also makes it very difficult for us to lie, twist or alter the information to serve our own desires or means of selling books, creating followers or destroying the Old Testament or any other religious ideology we try to accuse the white man of inventing.

    The white-man is not an old enough race of people to have invented anything pertaining to religious ideology. All religions good and evil were created, written and established by Africans, period.

    Egyptian Bible: Pyramid Text

    Utterance 574.
    1485a. To say: Greetings to thee, Sycamore, who protects the god, under which the gods of the underworld stand,
    1485b. whose tips are seared, whose inside is burned, (whose) suffering is real.
    1486a. Assemble those who dwell in Nun; collect those who are among the bows.
    1486b. Thy forehead is upon thine arm (in mourning) for Osiris, O Great Mooring-post,
    1486c. who art like her who is chief of the offering (to), and of the worship (?) of the lord of the East.
    1487a. Thou art standing, Osiris; thy shadow is over thee, Osiris;
    1487b. thy diadem repels Set,
    1487c. the generous damsel who acted for this spirit of Gḥś.ti is
    1487d. thy shadow, Osiris.
    1488a. Thy dread is among those in heaven; thy fear among those on earth.
    1488b. Thou hast hurled thy terror into the heart of the wings of Lower Egypt, dwelling in Buto.

    1489a. N. is come [to thee], Horus, heir of Geb, of whom Atum speaks;
    1489b. "all belongs to thee," say the Two Enneads; "all belongs to thee," thou sayest.
    1490a. It is even N. among them-the gods who are in heaven.
    1490b. Collect those who are among the bows; assemble those who are among the imperishable stars.
    1491a. N. rejoices; N. rejoices, O, 0.
    1491b. Day is day; night is night; Rē‘ is Rē‘;
    1491c. --------------- he is for ever.


    I have nothing against Dr. Karenga but an examination of his specific words is in order.

    Does he speak as an atheist to abandon all religious ideology and thought?

    Or is he simply just trying to appeal to the masses to sell the maximum number of books jumping from one side to the other in telling us what he believes we want to hear?

    Such as be rebellious because black people are, dump on the white man because that’s what black people want to hear, reject the KJV Bible because that’s what rebellious black people do…….etc….

    Are we being suckered once again because of our unfortunate condition of being a people scattered, peeled and removed from our heritage?

    In reality to this day there IS NOT any African peoples living in Africa that practice and can read Egyptian ideology and hieroglyphs. Anyone that tells you otherwise is lying because most isolated African tribes and peoples in Africa to this day continue to NOT have an original written language of their own.

    Since we know 100%, absolutely that the Egyptian had a written language and their ideology could be passed down through this written language it is safe to assume that the bulk of the original Egyptians were excommunicated from Africa and along with that excommunication knowledge of the language and written script also left Africa.

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    It is ironic how we hold

    black scholars and such under a microscope but swallow the bible whole without the second thought that it was handed down to us by our oppressor at a time when we were just coming out of our pre-literate past...:tweety: and experiencing our lowest level of spiritality

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    Hummmm

    Just because a Nubian / Black man write some thing doesn't always means it the ( Truth ) .
     
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    I have not demanded any more from modern day scholars then I have from the Old Testament and New Testament African scholars.

    As I have research the Old Testament to find that most physical and irrefutable evidence points to the historical fact that it was written by Akhenaten and his elected priesthood and the Exodus occurred when the people of Akhetaten were vanquished from Egypt by foreign African Tribes and hired mercenaries.

    I have researched the New Testament to find that Jesus is a derivative of Osirinism and several combinations of Egyptian ideology and was most likely created and written by ancient Ethiopians as you can see the transition from Osiris to Jesus in several Ethiopian scripts mainly The Lost Books of the Bible and Bandlet of Righteousness.

    And when we study the most ancient of the Dogon Song we find that all religious ideology and foundational beliefs originated from Africa and the Dogon Song was once the only ideology of the earth and it is monotheistic. The Crucifix originates from O-Nummo who was hung on a cross by Amma (GOD) to be cut into small pieces to be used by Amma in making several planets. The image of the O-Nummo hanging on the cross is an ancient Dogon symbol of the Smiths hammer, and also O-Nummos sacrifice.

    With this explained you now can see where the story of Osiris being cut into pieces originates
    from.

    You will have to forgive me if I am cautious in accepting what is expressed about Kemet because when I look into it, it turns out to be men simply theorizing. I have come to believe in a concept of, “Let the gods speak”.

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    The "Seeming" Esoteric and Exoteric Dichotomy

    Belief in spooks who threaten us if we don't worship them and demand we turn over our destiny and daily lives must be categorized as spookism and condemned." pg 27

    I have read the same statement above and, NO, I don't see an attack on ancient Kamitic principles. Recently I was in China town for the chinese New year and a "mortal" walked up to me and intimated a scare tactic in the effect of me needing to have an allegiance to some nebulous entity that is supposed to have some type of monopoly of Jurisprudence over me; Some Spooky God that talks only to individuals outside of my time frame and allegorically writes on stone tablets with lightning bolts or something. I looked at him like he was a dream character in my dream telling Me to worship the sleeping me.....nuff said. :sand:

    [Check the sundial...synchronize your clocks]

    {Atum to Nu as I ride the raft }

    HU knows the score ...speak no more ...HU watches down with the eyes thats black to the east blackwards sissies
     
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    Grand Verbilzer what :time: Time is it ???

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    Hmm

    and what is your published work to refute Dr. Karenga? :qqb017:
     
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    The biblical text

    is a European tool from the oppressor meant to oppress any and all who "believe" its:

    allegory
    contradictions
    doublets
    hidden codes
    hyperboles & puns


    I know there is a deeper source to Afrikan GOD Consciousness. I have found part of that deeper source and I will continue to dig.

    I did not stop at the biblical text and its anesthesizing affects:qqb009:
     
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    Hummmm,

    It is interesting that you have chosen to look-over and ignore verses from the Egyptian Bible: Pyramid Text, Utterance 574, lines 1486b which contains the word worship and lines 1488a-1488b which contains the words dread, fear and terror in which all of these words are being associated with a demigod of Kemet and was written by an ancestral priest of Kemet that believed in the ideology.


    Due to our ancestors overwhelmingly documenting their belief system it becomes extremely difficult for pretenders to lie against it. The old saying of “dead men tells no tells” is false because our dead ancestors reveal the truth of their belief system every day, it simply requires a reading of what they recorded.

    Dr. Karenga outright rejects associating those words with ideology, gods and or spirituality thus he is rejecting Kemet ideology as it is recorded by our ancestors.


    Utterance 506.
    1094a. To say: I am St.ti, I am Sti-sti;
    1094b. I am the Sw-sw-lake;
    1094c. I am Swnt, the chest of heaven;
    1095a. I am ’Ir-kȝ, the most spiritual of the kings of Lower Egypt;
    1095b. I am "he who shall remain hidden," the ’Imn of this land;
    1095c. I am he who made (?) the two lands;


    Being a “hidden” god, isn’t that so called “spookesm”?

    Shame on you for trying to redefine Kemet ideology and trashing the ancestral doctrine. I for one take this stuff to seriously to do such things against the ancestors.

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    Spooooky

    So you actually believe that the white-man (European) is so powerful that he made all of these events come true…
    http://destee.com/forums/showthread.php?t=51187


    Then you truly have been brainwashed to see the white-man as gods that control our destiny.

    I personally have not stopped at the Old Testament and Holy Scriptures but you will find that the Dogon Song is the source of it all and Kemet ideology is a corruption of the Dogon Song. That’s why people on this board reject the Dogon Song and refuse to talk about it, it proves that Kemet ideology is a corrupted derivative of the oldest African wisdom.

    We have become like the white-man as African Americans and are more drawn to money and wealth instead of looking at the Dogon Peoples because they are considered poor and weak. Well, the Egyptians are dispersed and removed from the land but the Dogon are steel there with culture intact and even ruled as pharaohs in Egypt at one point in time. As a matter of fact the Dogon say they were the first to inhabit Kemet but were warned by the Nummo to move away from the River to highlands because of an impending flood.

    To this day the Dogon build and live in high mountainous areas.


    Even Diop confirms that the Dogon continue to make use of and wear the White Crown. Page 79 The African Origin of Civilization Myth or Reality.


    There is a power within the Old Testament doctrine that nether you nor I can explain which is why I suspect a lot of people invent reasons to ignore it because it scares them to see words that were written down around 1350BC and be so detailed in describing the future events of our peoples. Even describing the New Testament before it was even a religion. Being so precise to even see a name of the future “Immanuel” that these followers would use to describe their demigod. That kinda stuff is scary and we would probably all run and hide if divinity slapped us in the face.

    I mean would you really want to know someone that could tell you when and how you are going to die? One aspect of life that makes it fun is the mystery of not knowing. Would you really want that taken away?

    That’s the “spookism” of the Old Testament; it tells the future, which to us is now history. I agree, that is spooky and that’s why most people are afraid of it.


    Jer:5:19: And it shall come to pass, when ye shall say, Wherefore doeth the LORD our God all these things unto us? then shalt thou answer them, Like as ye have forsaken me, and served strange gods in your land, so shall ye serve strangers in a land that is not yours.

    Are you in Africa?
    The work you do or job you have, who benefits from it the most?
    Are you a descendant of slaves?

    Now you see why we are being taught to ignore and reject the Old Doctrine. The Christians could not destroy the Old Doctrine, the Catholics could not destroy the Old Doctrine, the foreign African Tribes could not destroy the Old Doctrine and Muslims could not destroy the Old Doctrine, what makes you believe you will succeed?

    The Old Testament / Holy Scriptures were written by Akhenaten and his elected priesthood. Akhenaten had to code the information because if the foreign African Tribes that took over Egypt had have realized what the book was a recording of they would have destroyed it then.

    It has even been discovered in ancient Egyptian writings where the foreign African tribes that eventually took over Egypt tried to hide, cover-up and erase the reign of several pharos that did not totally accept the integration of original Kemet ideology and foreign African tribes ideology. They tried to do the same thing to Khafre (Cheops) of the 4th Dynasty because he closed several temples of the gods.

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