- Aug 27, 2013
I understand that if I don't report violations, I can't expect them to be dealt with. But, frankly, it happens so often here that I didn't even realize it was a violation of the rules to tell someone they are an Uncle Tom, Sell Out, or Uncle Ruckus...or any of the other advanced debate tactics used by those without a valid argument or evidence for their claims.The above is disingenuous on a number of levels.
3.5 seconds ago you were referring to a Member's wife as a whore, prostitute, porn star, etc., but now you want to wax poetic regarding the virtues of discussing and debating without calling names, using labels, etc. ... really?
you absolutely know the rules, and to come to me talking about what someone else did, when you're getting fussed at ... (though you're not getting fussed at this time, you've simply inserted yourself in the middle of someone else's fuss'n) ... never having presented one report to me about someone violating the rules ... is well ... hogwash ... i aint hear'n it ... if you don't report the possible violation ... don't come crying to me later about what someone else did ... after i caught you wrong and am fussing at you ... 'cause i aint hear'n it.
If you want me to take you seriously regarding our higher standards, respectful discussion, etc., you're gonna hafta be operating from within the confines of them ... maintaining "clean hands" your own self ... or you don't have a leg to stand on with me.
So work on that ... getting your own debate prowess up to par ... and then maybe i can take you seriously.
As for the "referring to a members wife" comment, I have agreed to disagree with you and being that it's your house, I disengaged and complied with your wishes. But, I asked a sincere question that a mature adult could answer without taking offense to....especially if they opened their marriage model up as a topic of discussion. He could have easily responded with something to the effect of "No, it's not like that at all. You have a misconception of how it works...It works like this...)
There is a big difference between labels being applied as a debate tactic of division or distraction and a sincere question directly focused at the issue raised for discussion. It's sad that you can't see that distinction.
The fact that I have never reported violations to you is a reflection of the fact that I'm simply not easily offended. Furthermore, it doesn't bother me that someone holds a view of me that I know is not true. You see this as a problem but let me assure you, this mentality have benefitted me greatly throughout my life. It goes in one ear and out the other because my focus is the matter that is relevant, not the diversion.
Kinda funny, but you remind me of my wife in dealing with our children. LOL I'll give you an example from yesterday. When I got home I noticed that the foyer was a mess. I called my son, whose choir it is to keep that area clean. He got off the computer and came to me. I asked, "Son, why aren't your choirs done?" He responded with some lame excuse. I told him to get it clean and I would deal with him once I got settled in. As I was settling in, one of my other sons came to me. He said, "Dad, I told mom that he hadn't done his choirs and that you would be home soon." I said, "Really, so what happened?" He said, "She jumped on me and claimed that I just wanted him off the computer so that I could get on and told me that I didn't do my choirs" She was right, it's likely he did have an ulterior motive and he didn't have all of his choirs done to the standard we require. But, she allowed the one who was on the computer to continue although she had been advised he wasn't doing what he was supposed to do. She never dealt with what was reported to her because the one reporting it was imperfect.
My point being...if you have a problem with what I'm saying here it is your right as the momma here to correct me. But, you shouldn't require me to be perfect before my valid points are taken seriously. If the point I make is valid, take it as such. If it's not, reject it.