Black Education / Schools : Does sending black children to a catholic school have any affect on them

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  1. MahoganyUnique

    MahoganyUnique Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    Greetings,

    So, I wanted to know everyones thoughts on sending black children to a Catholic school. Would you send your child there and why? This is my daughters(11) second year and my sons first(4). Clevelands school system is shot and when I moved last year my childrens education was priority, so I moved next to a five star public school but @ the time the waiting list was too long and my daughter had missed like 3 weeks of school. So last resort I sent her to this catholic school up the street. So when the school year was over I wanted to put her in the public school but she didn't want to leave her school. Also I was paying last year but not this year because she got a full scholarship from her performance her first year. Mind you, academically this is a good school and now my son attends for pre k. When he first started he was being mistreated and I wanted to take him out but something told me not to overact and I didn't want the hassle. So, long story short my kids are happy but I talked to them the other day about me not wanting them to be whitewashed. My daughter like she not maybe my son because the other day he said he like white boys, then said he was just joking. Ok, I was angry, especially since I am so pro black. Everyday I'm like girl did somebody treat you wrong and just be paranoid. Its funny cause she look at me like I'm crazy. Lol however my biggest concerns is my youngest and wondering if sending him to this school that so happens to be all white will affect him? Also the teachings about religion and so forth is something I am against. I hate having to tell my daughter that you being lied to at school. I mean she looked at me crazy when I told her thanksgiving was a slauterfest. However just don't want her to turn catholic or something. Maybe I am overacting. I don't know. I swear it has been an ongoing issue.

    Mahogany
     
  2. MsInterpret

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    No matter where you put your child, it could affect him/her good or bad...
    Even though I never went to a Catholic school, I did however attend a private Christian school from 4th to 9th grade....It had it's pros and cons...I felt like I got the best education there compared to when I went to public school. It was predominantly a white school, but it had it's handful of black kids as well...The crazy thing about it was, the ones who treated me the worst and teased me were the black kids that went to private school with me.
    When I switched and went to public school I got jumped by black girls....
    I felt uncomfortable in both social settings, I felt ostracized in public and in private schools.
    Your kids could get treated bad in public school and you would still feel like you need to protect them, but that is how a mother or any parent is going to feel.

    I remember Wednesdays at the private school were bible school days, where we would go to the church to sing and they would have worship services....However, my parent's didn't approve of what was being preached at that school, but my education was the main concern.
    You don't think they talk about Thanksgiving in public school??? They make a big deal out of it. They teach the same thing about pilgrims and Native Americans in a cutesy fashion too, as well as Xmas and all that.
    No matter what education system you put your child in, they will be lied too...public schools don't teach your child everything they need to know...the classroom books are full of lies.

    As a parent you still hold more truth then a school does. You still are capable of directing your child(ren) in the way you see fit regardless of what school they go too.
     
  3. MahoganyUnique

    MahoganyUnique Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    Thank you for your response sister,

    * sighs* yes this is true they will encounter these things at other schools also. It can be hard sometimes when you try to protect your children because when you think about it they are going to have to go through the same trials through life. It just disturbed me when he said he like whit boys but he is young. And I will try and always guide them in the right direction. Its funny cause I always sing India irie song " brown skin" to him. He went to school singing it and I said what your friends say. He daid they said they love his brown skin. So in reality I may be overreacting. It just feels like being around another race all day may give him a complex. Once again I may be overthinking it, but I still would like to take him out. That is crazy you said you were teased by the handful of black kids that were there. Why do you think that was the case? Also this term whitewashed? When I think of it I think of a race that hates their own race but maybe ppl see it as speaking intelligent or proper. Was that the reason you were teased? And growing up in a christian school setting did that play a major role on your beliefs growing up? I went to public schools and they didn't teach religion.

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  4. MsInterpret

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    It's okay to be concerned...
    My daughter (9) was going to this school where it had mostly white kids...My daughter encountered this lil mixed girl who told her she wasn't good enough (or something of that nature) because she was black...And for awhile my daughter questioned me about the differences of white and black people, especially hair...She now goes to a school where it still isn't mostly black, (mostly samoan and mexican), but she is doing better...however, last year she was having some issues with the kids...but that's a whole 'nother topic.

    As for why these kids treated me as such....One girl told me I wasn't "black" enough....But this was coming from a girl who was native and black....And when she told me this I was really hurt by it....because I didn't think I was acting "white", nor did I think anything of how I was...In my mind I was just being me, which was a kid....And for the longest time those words hurt me and affected me...Because I looked at the girl who telling me this, and she was a bully, mean, and angry...And so I was like, "was black supposed to be that way?"....So I adopted this mindset and attitude that I had to be tough, angry, want to fight in order to be accepted by my black peers...And in doing so, I messed up a lot of my teenage years...And I will admit, I was having this identity crisis...Here I was, I was too white and then other times I was "too black".
    Forget all this "whitewashed crap"...Cause it's CRAP....Let your kids develop...But still be mindful and still teach them of who they are...all the good parts of them inside and out...If they make friends with a white person, then so be it...My best friend growing up was a white girl....She was by far one of the best people I had ever met...Her and I didn't judge one another by our skin, because we were just kids....We grew apart, but not because of skin, but because we didn't see eye to eye on who she was dating.

    But look, kids say and do hurtful things ALL the time throughout their childhood...

    Even to this day, people say I sound "white"...and I don't hear it...I sound like me...I sound like where I'm from, which is Washington...And like you said...I sound proper...

    As far as my beliefs...I came from a Christian home...And as I was a child, I didn't pay much attention to what they were preaching at that school....I just wanted to go out to recess and play.
    However, when I got to 7th grade, I remember we went on this overnight field trip to this Christian camp...And during one of the nightly worships, they had this pastor who had all the kids come up, and I remember he started putting his hand on their foreheads and they all fell out and started acting as if they were talking in tongues LOL...I was FREAKED OUT! Me and some other kids left and went back to our bunks...But it didn't affect me, cause I thought it was all BS anyways...but the reason I knew and believed it was BS was because of how my parent's raised me, what they taught me.

    Your kids are going to hear and see a lot of BS in life...and you cannot prevent that...You just have to keep them aware of what is real and what is not.

    But overall...I am glad I experienced both private and public schools...Cause they are both royally F'd if you asked me...but they both have some good in them also.
     
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    But I never got to answer your initial question...Would I send my child to a Catholic school?
    Yes...and I am still strongly considering it...There are two private schools I am considering Annie Wright and Charles Wright...I remember both schools because I played volleyball and basketball against them while I was in private school.
    They are VERY good schools academically...And I want my daughter to get the best education possible.
    Hell, I would send my daughter to Norte Dame if she wanted too.
    I want my daughter to have friends and socialize and all that good stuff, but her education is more important to me then all that extra stuff.
     
  6. MahoganyUnique

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    Lol guess this is my mothers intuition trying to protect my children. Most of the time its better to let them be them as you said. I don't know for some reason because of what I study and so forth I feel like my kids should be in a diverse school cause when I say my son is the only black child, I mean it. This is the only time I have had to deal with this so that is why I am seeking thoughts on the matter. I will say your stories help me realize that they are going to encounter problems regardless so now it seems minor. Especially if you didn't pay much attention to the extra stuff at school. I talk to my daughter all the time so hopefully she will see when she get older casue sometimes she be thinking I'm the crazy one. However only time will tell.

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    Peace Mahogany,


    We all have our angles. My personal approach is not project anything onto my children's experience. It's important to me that their development as individuals be firmly attached to their experience. And the quickest way to mind-fu## a kid is to introduce him/her to the concept of race too soon. The whole black is good, white is bad paradigm short-circuits a persons own judgement mechanisms and affects their ability to evaluate the motivations of others. Why another kid may dislike them is not as important as it is that they learn how to handle the weight of that personal disapproval.

    Race ideology creates a permanent source of insecurity and is destructive to all sides.. but particularly to the downtrodden. To respond to "White is beautiful/Black is ugly" with "Black is beautiful/White is ugly" is completely reactionary and it perpetuates the same dysfunction along a new black axis.. and all operations performed on that axis invite a retaliatory operation.. and it just goes on and on. We become as ideologically racist as them. And the same thing that their racism has done to them, our emulation of their racism will do to us.

    The wiser move would be to step outside of the comparison altogether in favor of a larger more universal truth. For example, your point to your son about Thanksgiving can be folded into a larger discussion about the role of mythology in society... or it can be used to explore human behavior.. human psychology.. insecurity.. etc.

    Exaltation is neither negative nor positive.. it is simply an act of holding something up.. and when you give White Racism too much of your mindshare, what you are doing is exalting white racism. You are basically putting a little klansman on your child's shoulder to whisper his racist point of view for every thought your child has. And it doesn't matter if the Klansman's point of view was presented to the kid in positive or negative terms.. once it's there, it's there.. and all it will do is undermine his ability to evaluate a situation. Racism may even become his excuse for his own personal failures... and the problem with that is the sheer size and scope of the race-related problems can easily overload a child's mind and send him into a years-long if not permanent funk.

    The truth is, school is not as influential as folks would have you believe. We was just doing what we had to do to get to recess and lunch.. My real education came from my bookshelf at home.. and from the library on the weekend.. the school stuff was just something to do.. so I wouldn't worry so much about what they are doing at the school.. not too much.. instead, focus on what your home program. If you have a strong home program it will outshine the school program without you having to directly refute anything the curriculum contains.


    that's how I see it...


    - peace.
     
  8. MahoganyUnique

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    Well put. I am trying to break this cycle. I understand when you say not to make it a race issue because I could give power to that. It makes a lot of sense. I do not want to project my views on my child either. I am not a racist for the most part I just know of people that grow up hating their own race and wasn't sure if this may be an experience that manifest that. It is becoming clear though that I may be putting to much thought in the influence a catholic school may have over my child. Its just everyday when my daughter come home she talks about different saints and she wanted to hang up this pic and I was like no.. lol I'm just saying that may have been mean but I don't want him looking @ me in my house. Lol ok it be a lot of things my comments may be overboard and I'm trying that's all I can say.

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    I attended Catholic school for many years.

    It is a psychological mind trip and battle even more so as a Muslim going to a Catholic school.
    Kids in Catholic school are extremely clickish.

    It will most certainly affect your child. One of my little sisters went to Catholic school. Had a horrible time.
     
  10. MahoganyUnique

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    I agree when you say they are clickish and understand it is going to affect her. Now I'm wondering if I combat that or just let her education be priority. Is this affect you talking about the same from a public school or do you think it differs? She is in 6th grade and I'm thinking about putting her in a public school after this year.
     
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