Black Spirituality Religion : Do you believe Jews/ Jesus was black?

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Do you believe Jews and Jesus were black?

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  1. SeedyMartini

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    Hi all. I am actually genuinely wondering whether or not it is a common belief in the Black community that Jews and Jesus was black. I am sorry if I sound ignorant, but I dont know how to go about finding out. I know its not taught in my church but I feel like the Bible and history points to it, and I dont want to be ignorant. And if so, the divide between people is being perpetuated even in the churches. I wanted to get a general consensus from a broad spectrum of people out there, so I can better understand where this issue lies. I dont know if it is commonly accepted or not. I am just curious, and I dont know how I will ever find out if I dont ask. I dont think it would even occur to a typical white person, they just assume Jews and Jesus were white. But it has recently occurred to me, and I am wondering if it is a normally held belief out there and how blind are white people (of which I am one). I appreciate your time in response. But please no hate.
     
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    Of course the Jews and Jesus were Black. I wrote a book about it:

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    http://bookstore.authorhouse.com/Pr...es-Color-Matter-Only-When-Misrepresented.aspx


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    Bro Clyde
    In your book. You stated this about Moses! When he faced the Pharaoh of Egypt.
    This to me as it is written in the bible is very convincing.
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    http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Exodus-4-6/

    Exodus 4:6
    Viewing the King James Version. Click to switch to 1611 King James Version of Exodus 4:6.



    - King James Bible "Authorized Version", Cambridge Edition
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    Other Translations of Exodus 4:6
    ΒΆ And the Lord said furthermore vnto him, Put now thine hand into thy bosome. And he put his hand into his bosome: and when hee tooke it out, behold, his hand was leprous as snowe.
    - King James Version (1611) - View 1611 Bible Scan

    The LORD furthermore said to him, "Now put your hand into your bosom. So he put his hand into his bosom, and when he took it out, behold, his hand was leprous like snow."
    - New American Standard Version (1995)

    And Jehovah said furthermore unto him, Put now thy hand into thy bosom. And he put his hand into his bosom: and when he took it out, behold, his hand was leprous, as `white as' snow.
    - American Standard Version (1901)

    Then the Lord said to him again, Put your hand inside your clothing. And he put his hand inside his robe: and when he took it out it was like the hand of a leper, as white as snow.
    - Basic English Bible

    And Jehovah said moreover to him, Put now thy hand into thy bosom. And he put his hand into his bosom, and took it out, and behold, his hand was leprous, as snow.
    - Darby Bible

    And the LORD said furthermore to him, Put now thy hand into thy bosom. And he put his hand into his bosom: and when he took it out, behold, his hand was leprous as snow.
    - Webster's Bible

    Yahweh said furthermore to him, "Now put your hand inside your cloak." He put his hand inside his cloak, and when he took it out, behold, his hand was leprous, as white as snow.
    - World English Bible

    And Jehovah saith to him again, `Put in, I pray thee, thy hand into thy bosom;' and he putteth in his hand into his bosom, and he bringeth it out, and lo, his hand [is] leprous as snow;
    - Youngs Literal Bible

    And the LORD said furthermore unto him: 'Put now thy hand into thy bosom.' And he put his hand into his bosom; and when he took it out, behold, his hand was leprous, as white as snow.
    - Jewish Publication Society Bible
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    Wesley's Notes for Exodus 4:6
    4:6 His hand was leprous, as snow - For whiteness. This signified, That Moses, by the power of God, should bring sore diseases upon Egypt, that at his prayer they should be removed. And that whereas the Israelites in Egypt were become leprous, polluted by sin, and almost consumed by oppression, by being taken into the bosom of Moses they should be cleansed and cured.

    Comments for Exodus 4:6
    The Truth Teller's comment on 2014-10-03 22:23:33:

    Exodus 4 6 is what it is. I 'm reading my Bible and came across this verse. This verse tells you Moseh Moses was actually some race other than white. He was a black man Hebrews and Mistrites Egiptians . When he was commanded to put his hand into his bossom and take it out his hand was white meaning he his skin went pale. If you go to Genesis and revisit the story of Canaan 's curse you would see that the disease of Leprosy was actually passed down through him. This verse was to prove God as a real being. He was giving Moses proof that he was real.

     
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    First, thank you bro. HODEE for acknowledging that portion of my book, which entails one of the most convincing arguments for color in the Bible. There are several other accounts in the book that proves the Bible interprets itself, line upon line, precept upon precept and without eisegesis of the text. This rule of understanding is far different than the commentaries you present below. Both are clearly an exercise in eisegesis:


    "Wesley's Notes for Exodus 4:6
    4:6 His hand was leprous, as snow - For whiteness. This signified, That Moses, by the power of God, should bring sore diseases upon Egypt, that at his prayer they should be removed. And that whereas the Israelites in Egypt were become leprous, polluted by sin, and almost consumed by oppression, by being taken into the bosom of Moses they should be cleansed and cured."


    "Comments for Exodus 4:6
    The Truth Teller's comment on 2014-10-03 22:23:33:

    Exodus 4 6 is what it is. I 'm reading my Bible and came across this verse. This verse tells you Moseh Moses was actually some race other than white. He was a black man Hebrews and Mistrites Egiptians . When he was commanded to put his hand into his bossom and take it out his hand was white meaning he his skin went pale. If you go to Genesis and revisit the story of Canaan 's curse you would see that the disease of Leprosy was actually passed down through him. This verse was to prove God as a real being. He was giving Moses proof that he was real."


    It is best to stay away from contaminating scripture with our own personal agendas in such a way one's own interpretation(s) becomes involved in the process. Both of the above are examples of dangerous(white) commentary, and found to be full of self analysis without a line by line, precept upon precept application in support.

    Nevertheless, I'm only able to guess at the source, so, would you provide a link for further review?

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    I say yes.

    Revelations 1:14 -15

    14The hairs of his head were white, like white wool, like snow. His eyes were like a flame of fire, 15his feet were like burnished bronze, refined in a furnace, and his voice was like the roar of many waters. 16In his right hand he held seven stars, from his mouth came a sharp two-edged sword, and his face was like the sun shining in full strength.

    Happiness is intrinsic, it's an internal thing. When you build it into yourself, no external circumstances can take it away.-Leo Buscaglia









     
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    I thank all of you for your insight. Clyde, I will get your book. It also makes sense since there is evidence that the garden of Eden was in Ethiopia/Eritrea or Tanzania(Ngorongoro).

    Which leads into another question: about what Adam and Eve looked like. I have heard an idea that they were black and that whiteness was an albino mutation, or that whites were corrupted genetics from the fallen ones. What do you think, or is there a common belief in the black church?
    I think in order to get every look of people, Adam was black and Eve looked totally different, so as to have created every variation of people on the planet. I would tend to believe that God made us side by side and would not want us to be divided, that divide is the work of the devil to destroy peace. I think God's creation celebrates differences (just look at all the types of animals, insects, plants). This would also support the belief that all of the tribes of Israel may not have been the same color.
     
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    Well, if you are an adult, you must have an opinion?

    But my believe is not only based on the Bible and history, but science also marks the answer to this question as well. Of course Jesus is Black. Of Course the Original Jews were Black[Black-typed].

    But no, it's not taught in the 'Black Churches' as well. I think Black people are vague especially in the churches because of the works of this American system. Some say the Jesus is Black but I grew up in the Church, and in mostly all of the Black chruches, there is a picture of 'a White Jesus' or, a White man symbolizing that Jesus is/was a White man. And if you bring up this topic and say otherwise, Black people in the church will become hostile, Black women especially. They don't want their image of their hero being depicted as a Black man. By the way, I'm a Black woman.

    However, the Bible is loaded with proof that Jesus came to the earth as 'a Black-typed man'. History is loaded with proof that racial hatred of the Black people of this earth is global. White Supremacy did not happen after the Colonial Slave Ship Trade Era. Jesus does not look like the many Roman Emperors that had their images made.

    The Bible makes it plain that Joseph wore the COATLE of many colors and like in so many other passages, it doesn't matter what color of skin we have on earth, the Creator cares about all of us, but to ignore that Black people are oppressed because of the color of their skin, to ignore White Supremacy and Colorism is to ignore the Truth and why Jesus Christ really came to earth. Color Supremacy and Satanism [Satan Worship] is synonymous. Before the Creator Created Adam and Eve, Color existed and so did White Supremacy.

    No, Eve was not a different color from Adam, she was his clone. But what is totally ignored in the black Churches is the SEED of Satan that was mentioned in the Garden of Eden, and this is why many Black women worship white men, a White Jesus and many Black men obsess over White women too. Eve gave birth to the seed of Satan. And again, because of science, all of this will soon come out. Today, scientist are trying their best to twist the truth, deceive, lie, attempt to make something wrong be viewed as right and positive in order to hide and deny what really did happen in the Garden of Eden.

    They coin the phrase'MtEve' [Mitochondrial Eve] and date her to have been on earth some 50 thousand or millions of years ago instead of about 6000 years ago to try and explain away the true presence and actions of the origin of Neanderthals. They say that Africanpeople do not have any Neanderthal DNA [which is a trick] and they say other 'prepared statements' to try and hide the truth,but Nevertheless, science does not lie. Like Jesus said, we've all been born in SIN. Because of this, no one on this earth is as Black as Adam and Eve not even if they live in the Sudan. This whole earth has a problem with White Supremacy and Colorism and this is synonymous with Satanism and Satan Worship. The only thing that divides Black Africa from the White world [Europeans and Eurasia] is 'the Seal in the forehead' of his Chosen Seed and those who did not reproduce and reproduce until that DNA allele was gone.

    Of all of the alleles that can be broken up and shared among humans, only the seal of the living God cannot be broken up from the Black Africans. There were colored beings on this earth for 50,000 years and before, but until the Adamah appeared about 6000 years ago, there was never a TRUE BLACK PRESENCE as far as a human being with an AFRO. You will many light and white people with curly hair and thick hair, but you will never see a White person with a tight African bush. NEVER. That is the seal of the living God that marks Adams presence on this earth. Prior to him, Neanderthals, Denosovians, Cro-Magnons and etc. no matter if they were brown or white, they were not black skinned nor did they have Afro hair. White people can put vinegar in their hair to micmic true bushy hair but it won't come out of their DNA. You can see Black or dark skinned people on this earth with straight hair, very straight hair, because we've all adopted something from Neanderthals, but you will never see a White person with a tight African bush because that is an allele grouping that cannot be separated. The African hair is inherited straight from Adam and Eve. It's an inheritance and it is attached to an allele that goes along with skin color, 'melanin'. If we lose the skin color completely we will lose the African hair, hence our inheritance, our connection with God our Creator. The White people, the White world has separated from us, they've cut the chord. But through Christianity, some have been counted to sit at the table with Abraham.

    So yes, the original Jews were definitely Abrah-Hamitic or original Seth, but that doesn't mean that Jews aren't light skinned. Again, all of this will soon come out because science doesn't lie. It's in their blood and their Y-Chromosome!
     
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    Hello, and welcome to Destee:band:

    I hope you like what you see, and will stay with us for a while, it not longer.

    Generally this thread is for introducing yourself. And looking at your topic there is a forum for it if you only want responses from like minded people. But it's kool. you didn't know.

    So sit back and enjoy the ride bruhta/ sistas...:grouphug2:

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    You've done the right thing, and that was ask a question. My answer is read something other than the bible. The bible IMO is antiquated dogma, and it can't be use to educate a society that is constantly changing, and finding new discoveries that disproves it. You're free to believe as you wish, but not everything you believe is good for you. For example, drinking water is good for you, but drinking too much it it can kill you. And I'm not talking about drowning, but drinking it. Look up what the purpose of religion is for, and start from there. You will see what I mean.

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    Thank you for taking the time to share so much information with me. It gives me a lot better understanding and more to look into. If you have any books or links to suggest for me to read more about this, I welcome it.
     
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