Black Spirituality Religion : do you believe in free will?

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  1. jamesfrmphilly

    jamesfrmphilly going above and beyond PREMIUM MEMBER

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    ever heard of pavlov?, conditioned reflex?, brainwashing?
    have you ever found that something you believed from childhood was wrong?
    where did you get your morals and values from?
    can you turn against your training?
    you got free will?
     
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    The only thing comes to mind is the Santa Claus. It was an easy pill to swallow because it was instilled in me that only God was omnipresent. Its not easy to turn from my values. I see things where man implies ,believably, that God was not involved. I stick to God was a part of everything.
     
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    i believe that most people go by what they have been taught.
    most do not think. it is very difficult to question the values that you are taught as a child.
    if those values are wrong, so be it.
     
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    yes.
    i was always suspicious of what i was taught as a child, and my studies have confirmed my suspicions.

    it's only fear and/or pride that prevents people from truly exercising their free-will and acknowledging fallacious beliefs.
     
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    Greetings Destee Family.

    Some of us might actually go thru a period of un-learning those ideas that were instilled in us as children, but we still retain the ideas we find “harmless.” Like not believing in Santa Claus, but spending thousands of dollars celebrating Xmas. In scripture we are taught that God gave Man free will. But Men wrote that. Freedom depends on a knowledge of options. If this knowledge whether esoteric or tangible is safeguarded only a choose few, well- there is no free will. There are those who are free, and there are those who will. There are those who think themselves to be free because of the options they are “given”- and then there are those who “will” things into existence as conscious creators. We can only make choices based upon the data we have available to us in our brains, minds and the spiritual networks that connect us. Real free will implies a power Mankind is not able to construct, it implies a world without boundaries and laws.
     
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    Yes, I do

    However I choose to look at "Free Will" as being an intregal part of the "unknown" self along with GOD as an essential part of the "hidden" self rather than a belief, per se.
     
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    That is the problem that I have with many things, ranging from religion, to politics.

    The laziest excuse I have heard is "our forefathers did it, so let us do it in honor of them".

    Should I become a drunk and a woman-beater, merely because my father was one?
     
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    it is not lazy, people who have thought different from the party line have been severely punished in many societies.
     
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    So then, fear is the motive that keeps us from moving forward?
     
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    i think so. a friend of mine once told me, "freedom is very scary".
     
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