I have read articles on this subject and they tend to say similar things. That the nicer you are as a guy to a woman, the more likely you will always end up being "just a friend". Even if you send messages of interest to a woman, you'll still finish last. While the dude that ignores and occassionally talks down to a woman will end up getting what you want. Is this true? Is it true that women don't want a man to be "too nice"? What's "too nice"? Have you ever been that guy that has been "too nice" and seen a number of women slip through your fingers while you watch some guy win her over by simply ignoring her or being obnoxious when he does acknowledge her? Did this change your outlook on women? :grin: Women, are you turned off by a guy that gives you too much attention, even though some women complain when a man doesn't do so? If so, is it a woman thing, or does it differ with race? Does the amount of attention needed change once you've gotten him to give you the attention that you were craving? Is it all a big mind game? Are we as men in a no win situation when it comes to women? What do you think brothas...and sistas?