Black Spirituality Religion : DID JUDAS BETRAY JESUS

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    'Da Vinci Code' author Dan Brown in copyright suit

    'Da Vinci Code' author Dan Brown takes stand in copyright-infringement lawsuit

    By Jill Lawless
    ASSOCIATED PRESS

    10:32 a.m. March 13, 2006

    LONDON – In a rare and undesired public appearance, “The Da Vinci Code” novelist Dan Brown dismissed as “completely fanciful” the claims by two authors that he had stolen their ideas.
    He said he did not read their book until the structure of his theological thriller was in place.

    On Monday – three years to the week after “The Da Vinci Code” was first published – the multimillionaire writer found himself on the witness stand in courtroom 61 of London's High Court, denying accusations of copyright infringement from authors Michael Baigent and Richard Leigh.

    In a witness statement made public by lawyers as he took the stand, Brown said was “shocked at their reaction” to his book. But under questioning by the plaintiffs' lawyer, Brown acknowledged that he could not always recall exact dates of milestones in the creation of his novel. Both books explore theories – dismissed by theologians – that Mary Magdalene was not a prostitute but Jesus' wife, the couple had a child and the bloodline survives.

    “I cannot possibly tell you the precise date I learned that Mary Magdalene was not a prostitute,” Brown told attorney Jonathan Rayner James in front of a courtroom packed with journalists, religious skeptics and fans.

    The author, a New Hampshire resident who has given few interviews as his novel became an international sensation, was dressed in a dark suit and yellow tie and appeared composed during testimony. Only occasionally did he show traces of impatience with Rayner James' forensic questioning about documents and dates.

    “It's as if you've asked me to go back five years or 10 years and asked me not only what I got for Christmas, but what order I opened the presents,” he said at one point.

    Baigent and Leigh are suing “Da Vinci Code” publisher Random House for copyright infringement, claiming Brown “appropriated the architecture” of their 1982 nonfiction book “The Holy Blood and the Holy Grail.”

    If Baigent and Leigh succeed in securing an injunction to bar the use of their material, they could hold up the scheduled May 19 release of “The Da Vinci Code” film, starring Tom Hanks and Audrey Tautou.

    Random House lawyers argue the ideas in dispute are so general they are not protected by copyright. They also say many of the ideas in “The Holy Blood and the Holy Grail” do not feature in Brown's novel, which follows fictional professor Robert Langdon as he investigates the murder of an elderly member of an ancient society that guards dark secrets about the story of Jesus and the quest for the Holy Grail.

    In his 69-page witness statement, Brown acknowledged reading Baigent and Leigh's book while he was writing “The Da Vinci Code” – along with 38 other books and more than 300 documents submitted as evidence to the court.

    He said Baigent and Leigh's work “was not a crucial or important text in the creation of the framework of 'The Da Vinci Code.'

    “I'd never heard of it until I'd seen it mentioned in some of our other research books,” he said.

    Brown said he had fully acknowledged his debt to the two authors by having a character in “The Da Vinci Code” refer to the earlier book and its theories.

    He even named a character Sir Leigh Teabing – an anagram of Baigent and Leigh.

    “Over the past 10 years I have placed in my novels the names of more than two dozen close friends and family,” Brown said. “The names I chose are always those of people I care for or respect.”

    Other authors whose works he mentioned had sent letters of thanks, Brown said. But the plaintiffs had made allegations which contain “numerous sweeping statements which seem to me to be completely fanciful.”

    The author's statement and testimony provided tantalizing glimpses of his pre-“Da Vinci” life – from pupil at exclusive New England prep school Phillips Exeter Academy to semi-successful Los Angeles songwriter. Brown has also written the thrillers “Deception Point” and “Angels and Demons,” both million sellers thanks to the ongoing fascination with his most recent novel. He has been working on a new book, again featuring protagonist Robert Langdon.

    Brown's court appearance also revealed a complex and wide-ranging research process undertaken with wife Blythe Brown, whose interest in “the sacred feminine,” Brown said, led to one of “The Da Vinci Code'“s key themes.

    Brown is due to continue his testimony on Tuesday.

    The third author of “The Holy Blood and the Holy Grail,” Henry Lincoln, is not involved in the case. A lawyer for the plaintiffs, Paul Sutton, refused to say why he was not participating. Lincoln, who is in his 70s and reportedly in poor health, could not be reached for comment.



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    If there is a record of the events of Jesus' trial outside the bible one might could answer that question. However, the bible itself offers conflicting narrations of what went down in the Garden of Gethsemane.

    One gospel gives us the well known story of Judas kissing Jesus. In another gospel Jesus confronts Judas and no kiss is given. In yet another gospel Judas hangs in the background while Jesus attempts twice to convince the soldiers he is the man they are looking for. Anyone interested can read these things for themselves or anyone who wants to hold on to ignorant faith won't read it.

    To ask what happened in the bible is an impossible question.
     
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    I do believe you were ask the name of your God He / she , And don't say you don't label your God because He / She have to have a name in order for you to be able to talk to Him / Her True . As you said in one of your post He / she does speak to you true . You were also ask about your teaching of said God , She / He . You know like where did these teaching come from .

    Date / Time etc etc . When did these teaching come into existence Date / Time Please . Are their class held on these teaching being you say it the true history of the nubian people , What the name of your teacher , Are their any website where this information can be found . What sect / denomination or whatever you call it , Do you belong to . being they're more then one sect / denomination true .

    Does your belief / culture by whatever name you call it , Tell you to insult / disrepect others belief / cultures such as Christianity / Islam Etc etc . Please don't say because you were christian you have that right , Because you can't speak for all christians , Nor can you speak for Islam Etc . etc . When answering the above question please don't come with that white man Religion B.S. Because I already known the nature of beast ok .
     
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    I do not insult or disrespect anything. When a religion has been as vicious and coercive as christianity it is an insult to its victims not to speak out against it once the truth is known. Why should I speak out against the slavery of the body but not against the slavery of the mind?

    I made the mistake of responding to your thread as if it were a sincere contribution to the family. I will not make that mistake again.
     
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    Thank the stars :star: :spinstar:
     
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    Wrong your first mistake was thinking I Would ASSOCIATE myself with any part of your family . And if you wish I can post some of your post where you have disrespected Muslims & Christians here . And expose who the liar here .
    Or I can wait until you do it again because it part of your nature to do these thing to push your belief on other here . Take your pick ...
     
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    As an attorney you need to speak with me about this. Your defence vs. mines. I understand that as an attorney you must be very good in two things; symantics and lying. No way around that. So when you think you are ready, come see me about Jesus, Yesua, Emmanuel or whatever name you choose.
     
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    After having reviewed your arguments, it has come to this courts attention that your claim has no merit. This is a hearing based upon facts and not suppositions. If you have any, please present them...if not, we will have to delay this hearing to give the defence time to get her facts together. However, in making this claim...I am willing to take this a step further. I invite you to get anyone from anywhere to aid you in presenting your case based upon the facts you intend to present.

    I'm that good and that sure
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    Order in the court

    Exhibit A Judas kissed Jesus - Matthew and Mark
    Exhibit B Jesus prevented Judas from kissing him - Luke
    Exhibit C Judas never came near Jesus but Jesus approached the mob himself - John

    These are not mior divergencies or differences in perspective. Either Judas kissed Jesus or he did not.

    The human mind can remember a story and even after a few decades get some of the details straight while others will be misremembered. But to claim divine indpiration every detail must be precise and all witnesses must be in perfect agreement about all details. As a myth it wouldn't matter if the writers agree or not because the esoteric message would still be there. But don't try to pawn this off as a divinely inspired historical record.

    I was not talking about you when I referred to ignorant faith. Ignorance is when a person doesn't know something. If you can read these passages and not see a contradiction that is not ignorance. That is blindness.
     
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