Black People Politics : Devices of PUNISHMENT!

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Do you agree with Claude Anderson "devices of punishment"?

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  1. willa

    willa Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    Sooo, it is okay to have your liberty taken away as long as it is Black on Black domination. See "White Supremacy: Exploring the contours..." Claud Anderson, Separatist said, the movement will not work unless those who don't accept the Separatist rules of living have "devices of punishment" used against them. There are those agreeing with Claud.

    It is hard to believe that there would be any who would want to contain or be contained, enslaved to the will of those whose ideology is based in control over the free actions of any who choose peaceful happiness for himself in free agency. Further, actually support bringing punishment regarding broken rules of hate, how to live, and then put you under the thumb of punishers, a new master -- this time Black on you.
     
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    Asomfwaa Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    What is the full quotation?
     
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    I think it can be googled, But as I remember it, it was in Black Labor/White wealth. Here is another quote to underscore devices of punishment. As Claud Anderson and Bev Smith (Radio talk show host) were talking about the economic and social order problem with in the community, Dr. Anderson volunteered to Bev, that the Black Community needs to step up to the plate and send a message to the thugs by catching one of them in the act and performing a PUBLIC LYNCHING upon him.

    What age would that be 13 to what? So there is no trial to prove what everyone thought they were seeing was a crime. No innocent until proven guilty with the Anderson Separatist model? And by extention of that thought of punishment, all the Black men in prison? The prisons would be empty, huh?! So, there would be Anderson vigilantes walking the streets, making up their minds who was needing lynching... maybe by perceived "crimes" against Separatism. Slippery slope there -- absolute rule.
     
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    Willa, you have not quoted Anderson. You're repeating your interpretation.

    Just now a Sister was pressuring me and I told her how I did what she asked and she can now put away the rope. Similarly, one might say, "Put away the gun." It's violent humor certainly, but it's humor.

    Do make a quotation that we're not operating on hearsay. Not that your untrustworthy, but sometimes people can be lost in translation.

    For instance, if I write that you are against separatism, someone else can read that and think your ideas are ABC whereas someone else can think your ideas are DEF but if I just quote what you wrote, your ideas can be analyzed.
     
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    Okay, going to go find my book. I have the black and white cover copy. @ 1994
     
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    Still looking for my copy, probably boxed from a move. But, I found notes I was taking and so here are a couple of quotes: Anderson's Separatist movement seeks to "punish those blacks who sacrifice members of the race for their own personal advantage." i.e. going outside the Separatist enforced laws and walls. Walls have a two way use: to keep the other out and to hold you in. He says, "Black America is void... of, "enforcement devices."

    I think this verifies the sense of my original quote. So now the question is, what will these devices be if you should want to live in an unapproved area, who you want to marry, religion, where you choose to work, schools will be forced Isolation; banking, thinking and politics. Is this not loss of liberty. Plus you might be inducted into a suspicious hate filled army. It ain't DVD games!
     
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    My book is boxed because of a move. But I found the quotes I took notes on Claud Anderson's Separatist model -- seeks to "Punish those blacks who sacrifice members of the race for their own personal advantage. i.e. choose to live free of restraints. "Black America is void of ...enforcement devices." He sees enforcement as a solution. These quotes verify the sense of my original quote.

    THE DUPLICATIONS ARE BECAUSE THE FIRST ONE DIDN'T POST. THE SECOND ONE WAS SUPPOSE TO BE A DELETED DUPLICATION AFTER THE FIRST SHOWED UP. THE THIRD ONE HAS BECOME FUNNY/WEIRD OCCURANCE AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN NEXT.
     
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    Willa, a more complete quote would give a more complete picture.

    But your notes are:

    Anderson's Separatist movement seeks to "punish those blacks who sacrifice members of the race for their own personal advantage." i.e. going outside the Separatist enforced laws and walls. Walls have a two way use: to keep the other out and to hold you in. He says, "Black America is void... of, "enforcement devices."

    I gather that Anderson is suggesting a gated community with internal law enforcement. Ergo, people within the confines of his community agree to its own laws. This is commonplace among other gated communities too. I've even heard European Libertarians argue the merits of such a system.
     
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    Well, ABSibling, If you saw my towers of boxes that need to be unpacked you could understand that my book is probably the last one at the bottom, in the corner, in the dark. However, I think the other two quotes of Anderson's is pretty much the same as "devices of punishment" for enforcement; or devices of enforcement for punishment. It is not the same as an HOA telling everyone to keep their garbage can out of sight. Truly, there are better ways without losing ones agency for free thoughts and aspirations. I have some ideas, how about this?

    1. Do not make choices based on emotional bitterness regarding the White man. This opens a door for mistake.
    2. Go for education no matter how old one is getting. (If a person can walk and read, there is much to learn even from examples in the world.)
    3. Don't be so ready to believe what other people say. Find out for yourself. PROVE ALL THINGS.
    4. Keep watch on what is happening in the world, analyze it, and see where you can help in the place where you are. Even if it is just with family. If need be use it for preparation like food storage today.
    5. Do not re invent the wheel. Make good use of what others have created (including the White man).
    6. Cast away bitterness as this affects the soul and shows in the face. Science says bitterness and dwelling in grief creates inflammation on internal organs, even creating heart problems.
    7. Rise spiritually to be the sunshine above all the rest.
    8. Teach the kids that they are heirs of GOD as His children and they must not fall from the expectation He has in them. The reward is great. Do nothing that harms body and mind.
    9. Learn love. It is saving.
    10. The Pauper and the Prince both have to work; or, the pauper is on the street and the Prince loses his kingdom. I have heard tell, that the pauper worked to build a kingdom and the prince ended begging on the street through careless choices.
    11. Organize volunteer work and teaching for the community; even if you live work and play out in the burbs. That is the strength, power and safety to the Black future. Include the kids.
     
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    You must see some irony here.

    The conversation need not rush. However when you can reclaim your book (or find the quotation on the internet) then one can discuss the quotation. To invite others to criticize something which they can not see is to go against your own advice on not being ready to believe what other people say [here of Dr. Claude Anderson.]
     
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