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    Deuteronomy 28:37

    “And thou shalt become an astonishment, a proverb, and a byword, among all nations whither the LORD shall lead thee.”

    Who is known by these things brethren, the so called negros, Haitians, Dominicans, native Americans, Cubans, Brazilians, Puerto Ricans and aboriginals
     
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    Deuteronomy 28th Chapter....is that slavery in America?
    Discussion in 'Black Spirituality / Religion - General Discussion' started by will-he-write, Mar 7, 2007

    https://destee.com/threads/deuteronomy-28th-chapter-is-that-slavery-in-america.44865/

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    Then we read further down, all within the same context of the above writings...

    Deu 28:53
    And thou shalt eat the fruit of thine own body, the flesh of thy sons and of thy daughters, which the LORD thy God hath given thee, in the siege, and in the straitness, wherewith thine enemies shall distress thee

    Cannibalism as well brethren (and sistren)?
     
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    Add the tribe of Judah to that list. The entire point : This Deut. 28: 53 is from results for a curse. Why? Because they didn't do this. Deut. 28: 1. "And it shall come to pass, if thou shalt hearken diligently unto the voice of the LORD thy God, observe and do all his commandments,(start with the ten commandments) which I command thee this day, that the LORD thy God will set thee on high above all nations of the earth."

    The Old Testament was an eye for an eye, because "mercy cannot rob Justice." There has to be payment and they offered sheep for a sin offering. The old testament Jehovah was in spirit as he advised Moses and followed the tribe of Israel being "their forward and their rearguard." He also was known as their "Rock" for sureness in their lives. It is further said In the new testament when Jehovah was born to a temporal body and then offered as the lamb for the slaughter for a blood sacrifice to redeem us, the payment is made. We are no longer under the consequences of an eye for an eye law. We now have the law of mercy allowing people to be sorry and change (repent) to follow the law of love and forgiveness. We should realize "that spiritual Rock that followed them (in the Old Testament) was Christ" born to a body." 1 Corinth. 10: 4.
     
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    Pro 11:1
    A false balance is abomination to the LORD: but a just weight is his delight.

    This is referring to equal measures.
    The laws of equivalent exchanges.

    When it gets mixed in with a dogma of killing animals as an equal measure, one would then have to ask, what was the killing that took place for another killing to be needed for "his delight".

    This goes back to the "sweet savour unto the Lord" motif in Leviticus which many gloss over.

    There seemingly was a superstition that if they were to give "blood offerings" (will address this later) unto the unseen power, that it would not destroy them... Note: Noah's first offering when departing the "Ark", and Passover.


    Also remember, the lamb; fat/skin was burnt:

    Lev 4:32
    And if he bring a lamb for a sin offering, he shall bring it a female without blemish.

    Lev 4:33
    And he shall lay his hand upon the head of the sin offering, and slay it for a sin offering in the place where they kill the burnt

    Lev 4:34
    And the priest shall take of the blood of the sin offering with his finger, and put it upon the horns of the altar of burnt offering, and shall pour out all the blood thereof at the bottom of the altar:

    Lev 4:35
    And he shall take away all the fat thereof, as the fat of the lamb is taken away from the sacrifice of the peace offerings; and the priest shall burn them upon the altar, according to the offerings made by fire unto the LORD: and the priest shall make an atonement for his sin that he hath committed, and it shall be forgiven him.


    Also in Exodus...

    Exo 29:14
    But the flesh of the bullock, and his skin, and his dung, shalt thou burn with fire without the camp: it is a sin offering.

    Ritual of atonement
    • None of this (sin offering ritual) was done to "Jesus" by the way; even Isaac was to be a burnt offering.

    Lev 7:37
    This is the law of the burnt offering, of the meat offering, and of the sin offering, and of the trespass offering, and of the consecrations, and of the sacrifice of the peace offerings;

    • And with the many "offering rituals" that were created to appease the unseen power, even the "unseen power" seemed a bit perturbed by them.


    Isa 1:11
    To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices unto me? saith the LORD: I am full of the burnt offerings of rams, and the fat of fed beasts; and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of he goats.

    Isa 1:12
    When ye come to appear before me, who hath required this at your hand, to tread my courts?

    Isa 1:13
    Bring no more vain oblations; incense is an abomination unto me; the new moons and sabbaths, the calling of assemblies, I cannot away with; it is iniquity, even the solemn meeting.


    Not sure where "blood sacrifice" came from, as it is rarely or barely (if at all) mentioned in the writings.
    • And the "eye for an eye law" still exists, as it relates to a true balance, versus a false balance.

    Today we use "appraisers" to justify the values of things.

    If a person pokes out another person's eye, they would pay the medical bills, be fined additionally, and serve a period of time within a confined area. The essentially would be "cursed", or to have their powers taken away from them.

    This is what is seen as "Justice" or "eye for an eye"

    As civility within cultures developed, they didn't rely on corporal punishment alone, they began to deal in repentance fees, which we now call punitive damages.

    Just some things to consider
     
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    Most things in the Old Testament are symbolic for what Christ would bring us in the NewTestament. Jesus is referred to as the "Lamb of God." Animal sacrifice is no longer used because Christ fulfilled that symbolic lamb. And the Levite Priests didn't waste the animal sacrifice because that was their dinner and it was also given to the hungry among the people. Jesus paid the universal price for redemption, "Mercy cannot rob Justice." He did what no other being could do, because he is the literal Son of Ahman, Heavenly Father, therefore a God in flesh. That's what it took to pay Justice so that we can obtain Mercy for forgiveness. Even then in the garden of Gethsemane that price from suffering caused he, who is a God, to bleed at every pore. So how much more would we suffer to pay for just our own sins compared to the Son who paid for all. No mortal could accomplish that because how could we who need the Atonement for our sins, redeem others.

    The bullock represents the purging of sin specifically regarding the twelve tribes of the house of Israel, setting them apart as an holy order to stand also as judges for the righteous, during peace in the 7th millennium, a matter of teaching and organizing.
     
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    Here's what I thought you would be addressing, sister willa, so-called cannibalism ...

     
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    Okay, cannibalism…. These particular pages in Deuteronomy are pages of the blessings that will be ours if we do what the Lord says; or, pages of cursings if we don't, and what the Lord says to one he says to all tribes of people in the world. Only the inheritances from the Lord will differ. Throughout history anyone of these curses has occurred at different times to people. Cannibalism is a result of two things, starvation or evidently the loss of God's blessings, according to the scriptures Duet. 28. More specifically, We can believe in the days to come, speaking of the end of The last Days which most Christianity says are here at this time, speaking of the wicked of the world, will suffer the wrath of God because of vile behavior not seen since the days of Noah and will be worse in our secular culture. The Middle East slaying of babes is an example, and ISIS claims to be eating human flesh and threatens to eat the faces of the infidels. Good example, huh?

    According to the Prophets in the end of these days as things get worse and worse, (sorry) we suffer famine and pestilence, even in America and it is possible that a few people will resort to cannibalism. I hope to be living in a cave somewhere, where I will be eating mushrooms and drinking spring water.
     
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    Well said willa, well put indeed, and thanks for adding the biblical justification of this particular curse, as a prediction of just how bad in would get since they chose Cursings over Blessings.

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