Black People : Define : Racism, Racialism, Reverse Racism, Institutional Racism, Prejudice and Preference.

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  1. frankster

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    When I say define I mean your working understanding of what these words or terms mean to you.
    In other words when you use them this is the meaning you wish to convey.

    That's my question the rest you do not have to read it just my opinion on the matter, what I would love is your opinion.
    There is truly no wrong or right opinion, just an inform and a less inform or worse miss inform.
    So lets share and learn - each one teach one



    Dictionary definitions are good but they lack the relevance of currency and historical perspective of parlance and or contextual meaning. Too often dictionaries reflect only the dead opinion of the literati and academia. Dictionaries leave out almost entirely like history books the perspective and meanings of the "Underclass". Okay now we have the Urban Dictionary and Wiki but these are not recognized (hence used) in the way classical dictionaries are. Language is a living thing, that reflects the cultural history of the speaker as well as their present position and status in society.

    Racism: to me is The ability and practice of one group of people to control a significant segment of another group of people through economic, political and social means by imposing laws and promoting and or allowing social customs that is oppressive and restrictive


    Racialism: to me is the recognition of the existence of difference between peoples and societies - such as phenotypical and cultural. To apply those distinction in such a manner as to function as the defining qualities of a specific class of human beings - called Race/Races
    Racialism has been taken out of most dictionaries as a separate word and merge with Racism which has caused much confusion today when people discuss Racism

    Reverse Racism: Is a political tool used to undo Affirmative Action by claiming that giving blacks any form of preferential treatment is a form of Racism.

    Institutional Racism: The legally and or culturally accepted practices of oppressing or denying peoples their human and or civil rights based on race.

    Prejudice: is to based your opinion and actions on stereotypes rather than experience

    Preference: To know and experience and as a result to like or agree as oppose to something else.
     
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    Racism to me is when a person/group of people judge, condemn, torture, mistreat, violate, devalue, unnessecarily criticize, or come to conclusions (esp. disrespectful and overtly stereotypical ones) about another person/group of people based solely on their skin color.

    Racialism to me is the idea that people act a certain way according to race (skin color), ignoring culture, ubringing, and facts preferring the easiest most sterotypically convenient answer. Racists use racialism to judge similarly appearing people as a whole.

    Reverse racism to me does not exist. A racist is a racist. Period. If youre white and you hate black people youre a racist. If youre black and you hate Asians, youre a racist. Theres nothing to reverse. It is what it is.

    I agree with your definition of institutional racism, I'd only add that it is possibly the worst kind of racism, because while racists can talk a lot, they can be ignored, but when it is the courts/police/education system/the law that is racist, it cant be ignored, and it affects your life whether you ignore it or not.

    Prejudice is to pre judge. It is racism when its racist, but can also be sexist, homophobic, etc.

    Preference is given to that which one prefers.
     
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    Our conception of these words and their meaning and usage mesh somewhat for the most part except that which is in red.


    If you are black and you hate other people of color, you are not racist because blacks as a group are not using laws and cultural norms to oppress anyone....... to benefit their group.
    Should an individual black person use the laws to oppress another, then often it maybe the case where to do otherwise is to expose them self to oppression.
    When Cultural norms are used by an individual of color to oppress another individual of color, it is in my opinion bigotry or prejudice.
    Blacks as a group lack the political and or economic power to execute laws and customs of hate much less to promote and support them in such away to to significantly affect any other group.
    This definition is especially true in the West.

    How do you define Racist?
     
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    "When Cultural norms are used by an individual of color to oppress another individual of color, it is in my opinion bigotry or prejudice."

    I agree and disagree.

    Bigotry to me is racism, bigots are racists. Being prejudiced against people you dont know personally and have no intention to get to know or understand from afar and judge based on prejudiced assumptions you make is racist. To me being black doesnt mean you cant be a racist. If you are black, and own a business, for example, if you refuse to hire Asians simply because theyre Asian, that is racist. If you see an Indian man and go, nope, hate the accent, not hiring him, or a Chinese man and say nope, hes gonna bring seafood to work everyday dont wanna smell it, or idk, anything along the lines of a white person saying theyre not gonna hire some black man because he may give his homies the code to the register and wear a doo rag to work everyday, the scenarios are hardly different, a racist is a racist. Its bigotry, yes, and its showing prejudice, yes. Its also racist.

    Again, "Racism to me is when a person/group of people judge, condemn, torture, mistreat, violate, devalue, unnessecarily criticize, or come to conclusions (esp. disrespectful and overtly stereotypical ones) about another person/group of people based solely on their skin color."

    You also said "Blacks as a group lack the political and or economic power to execute laws and customs of hate much less to promote and support them in such away to to significantly affect any other group."

    True, blacks arent likely to hold any group of people down the way we're put down, but that doesnt change the fact that I can make my neighbors life miserable doing racist stuff to her. I wont bring down all the Mexicans in Mexico, but me letting that one Mexican woman know shes trash to me just cause shes Mexican is just as bad. What if her kids were to hear? What if it affects her clarity of mind at work, messing up her money, her psyche, her kids' college fund? Is any racism toward blacks that people spewed in her life now justified? Did I just create a racist by being racist? Its evil, mean, and stupid whether its me individually being racist to a person or a group of people systematically going against another group. Black people cannot say they cant be guilty of racism, that is racist.

    Were all human. Some people are good, some bad, some are just weird. We have similar flaws and feelings, and thats across the board. We all feel love, jealousy, pain, some of us show empathy better than others. Some of us are artists and some are not. Some are sexists and some are racists and some are not... If you put race on any of those feelings/emotions/behaviors/flaws youre denying the equalities we share as people, suggesting you are superior to racists, incapable of feeling what they feel, except maybe to an alleged lesser degree via (bigotry, prejudice). Is that denial not racist?
     
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    A racist is someone that wants to exterminate a group of people based on their colour or culture.

    Racialism is accepting the social mores that underpins the reasons to discriminate.

    Institutional racism hardly needs clarifying it is what it is. Eg all the bosses are white and the non skilled labour black...other examples the differences in sentences given to black compared to our white counterpart

    Prejudice is like racism but without going the extra mile by wanting to wipe out an ethnic group.

    Reverse racism is seen especially when those that were once or still discriminated against use it against another group.

    Lastly preference is often intertwined with racism but in my opinion we all have preferences. Some men like athletic women some like small skinny women. In that respect it's acceptable. However if I say I wouldn't date a white woman it suddenly appears to be racist.
     
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    To me refusing to hire some based on their race is being a Racialist....a bigoted Racialist.
    Since blacks as a group cannot impose laws to oppress any any other group it is not racism
    Without laws and customs to support this behavior, to me it fails to me one of the requirements of racism.
    Since it is not a group action meant to oppress another group, to me it fails to meet the criteria of racism

    I recognize and accept that that is your opinion and they way you use those words, and in that sense you are right.
    The point I am trying to make is that, since the 1960's lexicographers have conflated and confused the words Racism and Racialism so that the oppress can also be accuse of Racism. While in actual fact they can only be bigots or prejudicial.

    Then You are a Bigot......Racial bigot
    A Racist is one who use the institutions and structures of racism to further enhance his group power over another group. The Individual acts of a Racist is the institutionalization and structural edifices by which political and social power benefits the oppressor and his group whilst ensuring the oppression and destruction of the other group
    How would one black oppressing one Mexican enhance Blacks as a group or oppress Mexicans as a group?
    Racism implies power to impose your will through legal and cultural means as a group on the life and experience of another group of people

    No.... to me that denial is being Racial
    Being Racial means you accept as true the idea that their is more that One human race and to support this idea you use Phenotype, culture, creed and sometimes nationality, to which you ascribe various stereotypes , qualities and values as to worth, character and meaning.

    You see the lexicographers knew that if you control the meaning of words you can can control the understanding of how people frame issues in their minds. If you can frame the way people see the issues of the day.....then you can dictate the outcome. - Hence they can make affirmative actions becomes Racist in the eyes of some blacks.
     
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    Racist is some one who supports and uses the social structures of racism to discriminate and oppress.

    True

    True....those are the effects of Institutional Racism not its definition

    Need more clarification on this point


    That's the meaning lexicographers want you to have......as the term is oxymoronic

    True.....that is where a proper understanding of words prejudice and racism comes in..
    By saying you "wouldn't" you have accentuated the negative, which is how the the word prejudice and discrimination are viewed because of there close association to racism...... better to say I prefer dating black women.
     
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    Is Hitler not described as a racist for his attitude to Jews. That to me is racism.

    My take on prejudice is having deeply entrenched views on a group of people and then using those views to openly discriminate.

    A definition for institutional racism is seen when our public institutions from the top ie government and arms of that state discriminate using subtle and overt measures to keep a group down. I think I have failed to find a proper definition here.

    On reverse racism please explain the oxymoron.
     
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    Yes......As a group the Nazi's were oppressing the Jews as a group by imposing laws and changing cultural norms creating a new cultural construct

    True.

    That fits the bill to me

    To me Reverse Racism is oxymoronic because to reverse something is to go in the opposite direction, so then if racism is going forward with intolerance, prejudice bigotry and oppression of one group over another then, reverse racism should be going back to a state of tolerance and fairness between and amongst the groups.
    Instead those who give the term meaning through usage and context want you to accept the idea that the powerless(weak) group are now oppressing and ccontroling the powerful(strong) group.
    It is a strange inversion of reason many have blindly accepted because those in authority have force it on the masses through propaganda.
     
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