Black People : DEFENDING HIPHOP RIGHT OR WRONG, WRONG, WRONG.

[cursed heart]

BET has raised a lot of kids. And we see the outcome on the streets and in the drop out rates.

So why your child is glued to the idiot box what are you doing?(I'm speaking in general)
We had bet ,channel 60 videos,soul train,solid gold, the late night videos when I was coming up as well.The butterfly,tootsie rolls,b@@tch better have my money, freaks of the industry,luke(me so h*&rny,news paper dresses,micro mini dresses,stilletos,fishnets,mid drifts,plastic dresses,rudy ray moore,richard pryor,comptons most wamted.ho#$ with a attitude
There is no excuse!
There will always be negative and positive influences everywhere you go in life.
As a parent and mentor it is up to you to help an absorbing mind figure out which is which!
No media can take over the mind of your child unless they are fully guided by it!
Point blank!
That's like saying after watching the mac I became a prostitute or a pimp.
Again where are the parents?

 

[OmowaleX]

So why your child is glued to the idiot box what are you doing?(I'm speaking in general)
We had bet ,channel 60 videos,soul train,solid gold, the late night videos when I was coming up as well.The butterfly,tootsie rolls,b@@tch better have my money, freaks of the industry,luke(me so h*&rny,news paper dresses,micro mini dresses,stilletos,fishnets,mid drifts,plastic dresses,rudy ray moore,richard pryor,comptons most wamted.ho#$ with a attitude
There is no excuse!
There will always be negative and positive influences everywhere you go in life.
As a parent and mentor it is up to you to help an absorbing mind figure out which is which!
No media can take over the mind of your child unless they are fully guided by it!
Point blank!
That's like saying after watching the mac I became a prostitute or a pimp.
Again where are the parents?

I hear you sister when you ask "Again where are the parents?"

Sometimes the parents are right there with the kids getting high and acting as if they are still teenagers. Kids do tend to meodel their parents behavior. Gang-bangers do not develop in a vacuum. They are generational.

In relation tho hip hop a few days ago my sister and I were talking and she mentioned to me a situation in which her daughters ahd some friends over and they were watching a video and she had to interrupt the girls while they were talking and put their language in check. The manner in which they were speaking to each other and the profanuty they were using, espcially in using that word that most women hate but use to hate on each other.

This is the difference we agreed upon. Its nothing new for Black males to trash-talk, to use profanity, but in the "old days" WE did not use certain language 1) in the presence of our Parents, and 2) in the presence of a group of women.

Certain language was usually reserved for the locker room, the basketball court and when we congregated together as MEN but now days these young women "trash talk" in the open.

This NEVER happened when I was growing up and I have NEVER been in the company of WOMEN in my age group (say over 35) who openly use such vulgar language.

However, when I COACHED middle school basketball (boys and girls) the GIRLS were worse than the boys. And I am speaking of as recent as 2005.

Now, my nieces are good kids, both are in gifted programs and are academic high achievers and both of their parents are heath care professionals. And, since moving to Las Vegas, most of my nieces friends are young white girls who are watching shows such as "I Love New York" and emulating what they consider to be "Black behavior" that is socially acceptable.

On another point.....I wonder if anyone has heard a Jamie Foxx commercial presently aring where he makes a joke about "j_Lo" and then says something about "hey Ho".

I been hearing this for weeks but this thread made me pay more attention to that commercial and I just find it ironic because of my previous posts concerning Black comedians. And this commercial airs on a Dallas radio station that has djs always talking about the negativity in "rap music"....but they NEVER say anything about Black comedians.

 

[A007]

Wake Up

Without having the benefit of reading all of the responses to the question I will have to apologize before hand if I say something that has already been said....BUT.... Everyone wants to blame Hip-Hop for the ills of our race. But there are a couple of things that the finger pointers fail to understand or refuse to address.

1. If the music of the day is a better parent and more influential in your childs life than YOU are, then you need some parenting lessons or some help concerning the messages you are sending your child.

2. If you ARE a better parent to your child than BET then your complaint is for those who are not as good a parent as you...and still your arguement is with the parent not the ENTERTAINMENT.

3. Hip-Hop is just like ANY other form of entertainment....it only puts out WHAT SELLS!!! If positive lyrics and revolutionary change CD's were selling then that is all that you would be hearing. Common Sense's CD "Be" was the best CD in 2006 but it didn't even go platinum. Talib Kweli can not go platinum. See, it is NOT the artist's that make what we hear that are to blame...it is the audience for what they are willing to buy. And if your arguement is to protest by not making booty shaking, gangster music for the less informed to buy; then you are saying do away with capitalism all together. Capitalism says "sell what you can sell!!" Check out the industries that take advantage of capitalism: cigarettes, guns, false advertisements (like milk is good for your child), media coverage, crooked politics, and fraudulent pharmaceuticals just to name a few...see all of those things are far worse for our youth than hip-hop culture yet hip-hop seems to be the easy scape-goat for our problems. If anyone wants to research the numbers...see what the dropout rate was as compared to economic makeup of the communities. I guarantee there is a very small increase when compared to the early seventies ....when there was NO hip-hop culture to blame it on. Also check the amount of black college enrollees compared to the early seventies.

The ills of our communities are simple...they are economic and informational (notice i didn't say education) because it only perpetuates the problem. Hip-Hop is entertainment just like sports, movies, books, all of which glorify violence, women as objects, and lack of self-control. Why is the Hip-Hop part of the entertainment getting the brunt of the blame. Anyone remember Richard Pryor, Dolomite, Shaft, The Mack, Body and Soul, Prince, Kiss, Alice Cooper, Red Foxx...and countless others from our genteration who taught us about sex, cussing, violence, and women as objects???

 

[Kemetstry]

My child isnt

So why your child is glued to the idiot box what are you doing?(I'm speaking in general)
We had bet ,channel 60 videos,soul train,solid gold, the late night videos when I was coming up as well.The butterfly,tootsie rolls,b@@tch better have my money, freaks of the industry,luke(me so h*&rny,news paper dresses,micro mini dresses,stilletos,fishnets,mid drifts,plastic dresses,rudy ray moore,richard pryor,comptons most wamted.ho#$ with a attitude
There is no excuse!
There will always be negative and positive influences everywhere you go in life.
As a parent and mentor it is up to you to help an absorbing mind figure out which is which!
No media can take over the mind of your child unless they are fully guided by it!
Point blank!
That's like saying after watching the mac I became a prostitute or a pimp.
Again where are the parents?

But we all know children that are

 

[Riada]

Without having the benefit of reading all of the responses to the question I will have to apologize before hand if I say something that has already been said....BUT.... Everyone wants to blame Hip-Hop for the ills of our race. But there are a couple of things that the finger pointers fail to understand or refuse to address.

1. If the music of the day is a better parent and more influential in your childs life than YOU are, then you need some parenting lessons or some help concerning the messages you are sending your child.

2. If you ARE a better parent to your child than BET then your complaint is for those who are not as good a parent as you...and still your arguement is with the parent not the ENTERTAINMENT.

3. Hip-Hop is just like ANY other form of entertainment....it only puts out WHAT SELLS!!! If positive lyrics and revolutionary change CD's were selling then that is all that you would be hearing. Common Sense's CD "Be" was the best CD in 2006 but it didn't even go platinum. Talib Kweli can not go platinum. See, it is NOT the artist's that make what we hear that are to blame...it is the audience for what they are willing to buy. And if your arguement is to protest by not making booty shaking, gangster music for the less informed to buy; then you are saying do away with capitalism all together. Capitalism says "sell what you can sell!!" Check out the industries that take advantage of capitalism: cigarettes, guns, false advertisements (like milk is good for your child), media coverage, crooked politics, and fraudulent pharmaceuticals just to name a few...see all of those things are far worse for our youth than hip-hop culture yet hip-hop seems to be the easy scape-goat for our problems. If anyone wants to research the numbers...see what the dropout rate was as compared to economic makeup of the communities. I guarantee there is a very small increase when compared to the early seventies ....when there was NO hip-hop culture to blame it on. Also check the amount of black college enrollees compared to the early seventies.

The ills of our communities are simple...they are economic and informational (notice i didn't say education) because it only perpetuates the problem. Hip-Hop is entertainment just like sports, movies, books, all of which glorify violence, women as objects, and lack of self-control. Why is the Hip-Hop part of the entertainment getting the brunt of the blame. Anyone remember Richard Pryor, Dolomite, Shaft, The Mack, Body and Soul, Prince, Kiss, Alice Cooper, Red Foxx...and countless others from our genteration who taught us about sex, cussing, violence, and women as objects???

I agree with much of what you say; it's not the children--it's the environment and the parents are the chief culprits in that environment, but as someone said above, many times, there's no difference between the children and their parents. So, there we have it. The PARENTS are the culprits. We've finally figured it out, but I'm sure some savvy people here knew this from the beginning.

The fact is that most Black people don't want to confront other Black folks about any of this! It's so much easier and safer these days to blame the white man. We can continue doing this, but this is a failing strategy because the white man cannot come into our houses and raise our children.

Even if we could make gangster HIP HOP disappear, and I think this will happen, there will be something else that would comes along that will be equally destructive. We can always count on that. So how do we insure that our children are not going to be caught up in this next wave of destruction--of whatever type? It all does go back to parenting.

Usually in this type of discussion, someone will at this point say, "it takes a VILLAGE to raise a child." But let's be real. That won't work these days. Yes, others can intervene in a child's life, but good child-rearing is not a hit and miss situation. It has to be done consistently and with goals in mind. We don't have consistent, goal-oriented villages comprised of like-minded people set up, so the idea of the village raising the children is not the solution.

Everybody, including the most inept and infantile, who wants to have children can have them and I've read it argued on here that most here want Black folks to have as many children as they want or even can, in order to prevent white folks from wiping out our numbers. So we can't have it both ways.

The bottom line is that without any "excuses" or "explanations" allowed, Black folks need to get RAW with each other about our role in this mess, or this is just going to continue.