Black People : Cornel West and Carl Dix, make it Plain about the present administration

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  1. Putney Swope

    Putney Swope Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    exerpts from Democracy Now;
    Carl Dix;
    .......“Well, look, a lot of black youth are going to get inspiration and hope from Obama being in the White House.” But then, the question I pose to them is, what will happen to that inspiration and hope when it collides with the continuing reality of white supremacy, male supremacy, imperialist, you know, overseas adventures, that remain the defining reality of America?


    And see, what is coming around on this is that black youth are more and more being blamed for the situation that the system puts them in. And you look at Obama’s last two Father’s Day speeches, he gets into this thing of, you know, the youth got to pull up their pants. The absent dads got to be involved in their lives. You’ve got—the parents got to turn off the TV and make sure the kids do their homework. In other words, the onus for the youth not achieving is being put on the youth themselves and their parents. And what’s disappearing in that are the continuing obstacles that this system puts in the way of black, Latino and poor youth who want to achieve. So, in other words, the people are being blamed, and who better than Barack Obama, the first black president, to blame black youth for their plight? If George Bush does it, people would say it’s racist. But when the first black president does it, it actually draws people into it. .......


    Cornel West;
    ......The obsession is keeping track of Obama in the White House, a white house primarily built by black slaves. What about those who are still locked at the bottom, when you have policy team—neo-imperialist policy in foreign policy, neoliberal in economic policy—that’s reproducing the conditions of those stuck at the bottom across race? And at this point, you see, you can’t allow race and him being the first black president to hide and conceal the very ugly class realities of poor and working people. And that’s precisely, I think, why we’re trying to generate some motion, some momentum and some movement.


    AMY GOODMAN: Do you share Carl Dix’s criticism of President Obama’s Father’s Day speeches?


    CORNEL WEST: Yeah, absolutely, absolutely. I think that it’s quite telling that he would give personal responsibility speeches to black people, but not a lot of personal responsibility speeches to Wall Street in terms of execution. And when you actually look at the degree to which issues of accountability for poor people—but where’s the accountability when you’re bailing out these Wall Street elites, $700 billion? That’s socialism for the rich. That’s your policy. Don’t then go to these folk who are locked into dilapidated housing, decrepit school systems, many on their way to a prison-industrial complex, and talk about their fathers didn’t come through. And we know the fathers got problems. We understand that. But there are structural institutional challenges that he’s not hitting, hitting head on. ......

    full article;http://www.democracynow.org/2009/7/22/cornel_west_and_carl_dix_on
     
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    ON point!

    On time!!

    FYI...

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    um ok the kids do need to pull their pants up and absentee fathers should get their act together,what's the big deal?
     
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    Intersting response

    I usually read an entire article and unless I have an emotional thing for a politician I form my opinion from the full article, but the things you mentioned, can the president physicaly impact on that, through executive order or mandate?

    Can he make an executivee order to make heroin and cocaine entering US borders a National Security issue?
    Could he have bailed out those in New Orleans who have had thier non rem fully paid for homes and apartments demolished for condos in thier place, or bail out thhe millions of Blacks who have been swindled by sub prime?
    Could he have used some of that trillions fo dollars to bail out financial criminals and mismanagers to instead look at where insitutional racism exists in this nation as both John and Robert Kennedy saw it and promised to take action on it ?
    As well as creating real jobs in the innercities were thanks to his buddies Robert Rubin and Larry Summers the creators of GATT and NAFTA , the manufacturing base of the nation has been outsourced and millions of Blacks have lost jobs?

    Or is it easier to spout the same so called self help rhetoric to negroes as did Jesse Helms, Strom Thurmond, and Ronald Reagan?

    But I guess folks can answer that for themselves once the entire article is read
     
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    chuck Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    First of all?

    All due props for posting and sharing the original link(s)...

    Second of all?

    After having read the transcript:

    West and Company are implying and suggesting that we do treat Obama as we would any and all past residents in the White House...

    Some have done as much before, and few dared to claim that other person had anything in common with us, above and beyond being a citizen of the same nation, etc.

    It is just long overdue for us to wait on another savior:

    We will have to save ourselves...

    FYI...
     
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    What Else Obama Said To The NAACP Etc.:

    Structural inequality: News not fit to print?
    Last Updated Jul 2009

    By Dedrick Muhammad

    (July 21, 2009) - Last week President Obama spoke boldly about persistent racial discrimination and criticized the "structural inequality" that presents "the steepest barrier" to African-American equality in the 21st century.


    Speaking before a crowd at the centennial convention of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, he highlighted the need for government action to help tear down these barriers.


    So it was a surprise to see this headline on the New York Times story covering the event: "Obama Tells Fellow Blacks: 'No Excuses' for Failure."


    Somehow the Times saw fit to dismiss Obama's meaningful acknowledgement of continued discrimination and, instead, portray his speech as a dose of "tough love" to Black America.


    The Times was not alone, though. The Huffington Post, a purportedly more liberal outlet, titled its article "Your destiny is in your hands … 'No excuses.'" 


    It is true that President Obama borrowed a page from the book of Black leaders as diverse as Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., the Rev. Al Sharpton and Minister Louis Farrakhan in outlining the need for Black self-empowerment. But it was a damaging oversight to ignore the president's recognition of systemic inequality and the policy solutions he laid out to reform these systems.


    By addressing the living legacy of white supremacy, African-American socio-economic disenfranchisement, President Obama advanced the discussion of racial inequality.


    The president pointed out that the African-American community still suffers from discrimination and is disproportionately hurt by a recession and the boom/bust economy that has broadened economic inequality throughout the country. He included policy proposals ranging from changes to tax policy, health care, education and housing to improve the condition of African Americans. 


    One of the most repeated themes in Obama's address was that the nation's racial inequality is not an African-American problem, but rather a problem of our entire nation. Yet if you read The New York Times, you'd think the president was simply scolding African Americans for failing to live up to their potential.


    I had hoped for more from the leading newspaper in the country. Not only should The Times have reported on what Obama actually said, but as is done concerning other important policy matters, it should have also examined whether Obama's prescriptions were adequate for the ongoing racial economic divide. 


    As someone who studies the racial economic divide—particularly between Blacks and Whites—my strongest criticism of the address is that Obama's policy solutions are not strong enough to overcome the structural inequality suffered by African Americans.

    African Americans have only 10 percent of the wealth of White Americans and they are segregated into the most disenfranchised communities. On top of that, their job loss rate has been far higher than the rest of American's during our current economic crisis. 


    When I first read President Obama's address to the NAACP, I had a mixed reaction. I was glad to have a president who saw government responsibility for the structural inequality developed through decades of discrimination. At the same time, I found myself disappointed that he did not advocate for stronger measures, like an equity assessment of all future federal spending to ensure that government funds do not solidify the racial economic divide. 

Yet after reading news coverage of President Obama's address, I realized that his discussion of structural inequality is beyond what most Americans are prepared to deal with, or at least beyond what The New York Times sees as news that's fit to print.

    Dedrick Muhammad is the senior organizer and research associate for the Program on Inequality and the Common Good at the Institute for Policy Studies.

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    the big deal is that Obama is using black people as a political scape goat,a ladder if you will. you can criticize whites as well,trust me I have seen whites up close,they are drug using,alcoholic,thieving violent,gun toting,murdering people. Talk about parenting,was it a not a white women who left her f-ing child to die in a swamp in Florida??????????????? many a time I turn on the TV, i see some white boy soldier home from Baghdad who has murdered his wife.

    kids can wear their pants how they want, there are plenty of fathers doing the right thing. I am tired of weak Black people giving in to the assault on the freedom of black youth,this is a free country,you can dress however you want,stop pushing your grandpa since of fashion on kids,kids.

    I am sick of black people disrespecting other blacks,like that senile fool Bill Cosby just to make them selves feel better. Obama has embarrassed blacks on international TV for his own political gain.He is scared of what whites will think, if comes out and holds this system accountable,as well as the community accountable.

    Blacks can pull their pants up to their chins,it still won't stop these pink pig police officers from murdering Blacks,and unjustly arresting and incarcerating Black and Latino men.
     
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    Whenever you other posters actually read the article I also reposted:

    I'd appreciate your feedback too!

    Thanks!

    FYI...

    Later...

    Peace...

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    Gates just made a lot of noise...

    West is trying to make a difference!

    Do remember the difference between the two!!

    FYI...

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    Peace.

    Cornell and Brother Dix is on point, they came correct on this.

    I wrote an article for a local paper here when Obama got (s)elected and said the same thing; it's great for the youngsters - but when if backfires (and it will) it will hit us the hardest. White people will say he's just another ni gg er and black youths won't be able to blame it on the system, racism or any such thing - it's our guy up there now.

    Then one of two things will happen: youngsters will pick themselves up and turn to a RBG state of mind and do for self, or get broken down and lose more hope in the whole set-up around them.

    Obama has "no excuses" either...

    One.

    - Ikoro
     
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