Black History Culture : Controversy:The Moors

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  1. I-khan

    I-khan Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    First the historical backing of these peoples....
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    It would not be inaccurate to say that the Moors helped reintroduce Europe to civilization. But just who were the Moors of antiquity anyway? As early as the Middle Ages, and as early as the seventeenth century, "The Moors were," according to the Oxford English Dictionary, "commonly supposed to be mostly black or very swarthy, and hence the word is often used for negro." Dr. Chancellor Williams stated that "The original Moors, like the original Egyptians, were Black Africans."

    At the beginning of the eighth century Moorish soldiers crossed over from Africa into Spain, Portugal, and France, where their swift victories became the substance of legends. To the Christians of early Europe there was no question regarding the ethnicity of the Moors, and numerous sources support the view that the Moors were a black-skinned people. Morien, for example, is the adventure of a heroic Moorish knight supposed to have lived during the days of King Arthur. Morien is described as "all black: his head, his body, and his hands were all black." In the French epic known as the Song of Roland the Moors are described as "blacker than ink."

    William Shakespeare used the word Moor as a synonym for African. Christopher Marlowe used African and Moor interchangeably. Arab writers further buttress the Black identity of the Moors. The powerful Moorish emperor Yusuf ben-Tachfin is described by an Arab chronicler as "a brown man with wooly hair."

    Black soldiers, specifically identified as Moors, were actively recruited by Rome, and served in Britain, France, Switzerland, Austria, Hungary, Poland, and Romania. St. Maurice, patron saint of medieval Europe, was only one of many Black soldiers and officers under the employ of the Roman Empire.

    ----Early in the eighth century Moorish soldiers crossed over from Africa to the Iberian peninsula. The man chosen to lead them was General Tarik ibn Ziyad. In 711, the bold Tarik, in command of an army of 10,000 men, crossed the straits and disembarked near a rock promontory which from that day since has borne his name--Djabal Tarik (`Tarik's Mountain'), or Gibraltar. In August 711, Tarik won paramount victory over the opposing European army. On the eve of the battle, Tarik is alleged to have roused his troops with the following words:

    "My brethren, the enemy is before you, the sea is behind; whither would ye fly? Follow your general; I am resolved either to lose my life or to trample on the prostrate king of the Romans."

    Wasting no time to relish his victory, Tarik pushed on with his dashing and seemingly tireless Moorish cavalry to the Spanish city of Toledo. Within a month's time, General Tarik ibn Ziyad had effectively terminated European dominance of the Iberian peninsula. Musa ibn Nusayr, Arab governor of North Africa, joined Tarik in Spain and helped complete the conquest of Iberia with an army of 18,000 men. The two commanders met in Talavera, where the Moors were given the task of subduing the northwest of Spain. With vigor and speed they set about their mission, and within three months they had swept the entire territory north of the Ebro River as far as the Pyrenees Mountains and annexed the turbulent Basque country.

    In the aftermath of these brilliant struggles, thousands of Moors flooded into the Iberian peninsula. So eager were they to come that some are said to have floated over on tree-trunks. Tarik himself, at the conclusion of his illustrious military career, retired to the distant East, we are informed, to spread the teachings of Islam.

    http://www.cwo.com/~lucumi/moors2.html
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    Why are they controversial,because of what they did in Europe to the white peoples,much of which was no different than chattel slavery to those who opposed them.....now the question is were they black/AFrikan?

    Alot of them were.

    But if you asked a mainstream historian today they will say that the Moors were ARABS AND NO AFRIKANS EVER HAD MUCH CONTROL.

    Why?

    Perhaps because they do not want to admit being taken over by us?

    Another overlooked aspect is the fact that the AFrikan Moors SLAUGHTERED OTHER AFRIKANS (when the arabs showed up prior to the invasion of spain) who did NOT convert to Islam, it was once said that as many AFRIKANs that converted and joined the invasion, as much as or more were slaughtered by the AFro-ARab alliance.....John Henrik Clarke is the only many I am familiar with that mentions this(in his documentary "A Great and Mighty Walk")

    what do yall think?
     
  2. backtoafrica

    backtoafrica Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    On numerous other sites (can't remember what they were) they say the Moors were Berber-Arabs with few of them being black. I don't know if it's true or not.
     
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    Being slaughtered for REFUSING to FOLLOW any ones BELIEFS are too ancient to count.
     
  4. anAfrican

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    one of these days folks are gonna realize that the only true "historical" records are those that were, in fact, WRITTEN IN STONE!! or those that are passed down by ORAL TRADITION and held in the DIVINE MINDS of Our AFRICAN ELDERS! everything else has been so twisted and wrapped in controversy that everybody is MASSIVELY DISTRACTED from the mess that you have been duped into perpetrating on our own selves!

    BE the Sun[RA] that IS Your Heart[AF] and Soul[KA]: AFRAKA!

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    KNOW WHO YOU ARE!

    Af(Flesh) Ra(Sun) Ka(Soul)
    Your INNER PEACE is the Sun in Your Heart and Soul!
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  5. Moorfius

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    "People Know Your Self "



    Hotep

    Some things should be a known and a given or in modern terms..."A No Brainer". On the subject of much confusion because (some) of our people have lost the knowlege of who they are and ware they actualy came from.
    This is not by any means by choice but by a evil and wicket plan or better yet by the disign of the System of White Superimacy that has mis-guided, mis-educated, mis-informed, brain-washed and confused the "Collective" minds of those "Africans" they have "Captured" and ruined through the "Slave-Trade". Before the "Slave-Trade",...catagoricly (You the so-called African) was called by the indo-europian imposed name..."MOORS". This is before the slave trade. After the slave trade started the so-called African was then called "Negros" through the influence of (Andalusia) the europian nation of "Spain". It is true that there was some (indo-europians) Arabs among the African of that time...but they only "Took" credit for what the Africans did. Every contempory historian...meaning the ones who were alive at that time...Tells us that the MOORS were Black Africans! This is no secret but has only been kept from (you) those who have been indoctrinated by the "Mis-Education"...forced on "Us" by the Racist System of White Superimacy who wants the African today to think that the moors were (indo-europians) something other than your (Black..African..MOOR..Negro..etc) Self!

    Ase`


    http://www.africawithin.com/moors/moors_and_arabs.htm
    http://www.africawithin.com/moors/influence_in_spain.htm
    http://www.swagga.com/maafatimetable.htm
    http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/1560005815/ref=sib_dp_pt/104-2598190-3536726#reader-link
     
  6. torch

    torch Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    a movie starring martin lawrence called "black night" that I watched...the king and the 2nd in charge called martin lawrence's character a "moor" numerous times....and the 2nd in charged called one of the kings servent women a "nubian queen"....I always tend to think comedies about the past give some truth...even in shakesphere's "othello" the black man othello is called a moor..in the book and as I saw it on my very own tv...yet there is that notion they were arabic...athiests also claim that and that the egyptians were black....there racist dogma (evolution) is there religion and I have silenced all my athiest friends..
     
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    An often overlloked FACT is that the so-called "Negro" was labeled as such first by the PORTUGUESE slave-trader who was the first to defeat the Black MOORISH maritime power. Likewise the vast majority of MOORS were taken to BRAZIL and the spanish colonization followed later.

    The so-called "Creole" is another term used for people of MOORISH descent and the African "Moor" can be found in Cape Verde and Guinea-Bissau. In fact, it was from these island countries that many ion the new world were known as "Guineans" and the derivative of this is present in "Guyana", which was also colonized by the French, who alaso created the colony of "Guinea" in west Africa.

    It was on the 17 islands of Cabo Verde that our people were taken from Senegal by the Portuguese, and later the French.

    Many Africans in Cabo Verde also were from the Congo and ANGOLA.

    http://www.caboverdeonline.com
     
  8. NeterHeru

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    As a practical matter I see nothing that the Moors did to Europeans and within Europe, which warrants any kind of praise or admiration. Historically the Moors, as far as the record shows, are an embarrasment to our people if we honestly accept the fact that their behavior was not and still is not the norm for our people. Also keep in mind not all of our scholars accept the premise that all Moors are African, just like all Arabs are not Muslim and originate from Arabia (e.g. see Dr. Cheikh Anta Diop's book, The African Origin of Civilization, pgs: 200-201).

    In any case, since the brother asked for more resources on the Moors here are a few:

    Africa's Gift to America, by J.A. Rogers

    The Arab Invasion of Egypt, by Alfred J. Butler

    The Story of the Moors in Spain, by Stanley Lane-Poole

    Man, God, and Civilization, by John G. Jackson

    Introduction to African Civilizations, by John G. Jackson

    Ancient and Modern Britons, Vols. 1 & 2, by David MacRitchie

    Golden Age of the Moor, by Ivan Van Sertima

    The Outline of History (one volume version), by H. G. Wells

    The Destruction of Black Civilization, by Chancellor Williams

    There are more books and resources like Runoko Rashidi's website http://www.cwo.com/~lucumi/runoko.html. However this is what I could come up with from memory. I hope it will help you in your historical sojourn. As an aside study the Crusades of European history in order to see how this specific area relates to the Moors, more so than the history of Spain itself.
     
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