Black People : 'Complaining' vs. 'Making an observation'. What's the difference?

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  1. RAPTOR

    RAPTOR Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    It was brought to my attention that there is a difference between 'complaining'[whining] and
    'making an observation' and of course speaking in reflection of that observation.

    Is that true, or not true? Personally, I wonder if its just a mere exercise in semantics.
    Or is it a matter of ones perspective..., liking to the saying, that 'the difference between a
    terrorist and a freedom fighter depends on which end of the rifle one is standing on'.

    Are they different? Are they the same?
    What are some examples/hypothetical's that support
    one or the other? And in an attempt to leave fewer rocks
    unturned, support for both.

    ...Your thoughts.

    Note: "This thread is [a] contextual shift from the actions and motivations of a White
    person" assumed to have caused a considerable amount of distraction among
    black persons, to the willing participants' shared analysis on this so-called 'difference'.
     
  2. Ankhur

    Ankhur Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    Honesty brother are you now saying that you do not know the difference between a whiner and a complainer??????

    The Tea party and their spokespeople like Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity whine all the time but do not complain;

    You see to complain means that one has a case that something is wrong and they present their case via facts data and evidence, also their remarks of a complainer are not to arouse emotional responses but instead to encourage critical thinking.

    if no one complains about a leaky roof , it never gets fixed

    the complainers are the ones history remembers as those who wake up folks out of complacency like

    But every day folks we don't complain about anything we accept what ever bull mess comes from Wall street or the White House and say the old mantra
    WELL THATS THE WAY THINGS ARE! NO USE COMPLAININ!

    Here are some real complainers
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCst2HaGwnk
    [​IMG]

    and a man whose complaining forced us to see a problem we did not want to look at
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRSgUTWffMQ&feature=related
    here
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dmzaaf-9aHQ
    and here
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znQe9nUKzvQ&feature=related
    [​IMG]

    and a man who made us realize what was going on
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1L8y-MX3pg
    and here
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b80Bsw0UG-U
    [​IMG]

    and another complainer
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPoMxgw03dY
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSm3zXqJk_0&feature=related
    [​IMG]

    and yet another trying to wake us up
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0hUeyiJdM0
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vynT8XPEX0
    [​IMG]

    and a sister that needed to complai in our defense
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtjQA4zlcAM
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJalF8SD3XM&feature=related
    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2286792794667944280&ei=XA0rS-CIEYvGqwKqyvjKBQ&q=dr francis cress welsing&hl=en&view=3#
    [​IMG]

    also
    http://video.google.com/videosearch?sourceid=ie7&q=wole soyinka&rls=com.microsoft:*:IE-SearchBox&oe=UTF-8&rlz=1I7GGLL_en&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wv#q=stokely carmichael&hl=en&emb=0

    [​IMG]

    and
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wmr2k9vKfVY
    [​IMG]

    as well as European complainers like Socrates, Giordano Bruno, Galileo, Copernicus, Martin Luther, Machiavelli, Thomas Paine, John Brown, George Orwell, Aldous Huxley, Studs Terkel,
    Huey Long, Mae Brussels, Robert Kennedy, Ralph Schoenman, peter Dale Scott, Mae Brussels, Gary Webb, and Noam Chomsky, and Naomi Klein
     
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    The difference between making an observation and complaining is pretty straightforward. Someone who makes an observation is just watching whats going on. A complainer watches whats going on but forms a condemning opinion of what they see.

    Observation ex: Black people are pretty bad economic situation.

    Complainer ex: Black people are pretty bad economic situation and its white people's fault.
     
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    You seem to have thought that, for you wouldn've made it a point to express that there was
    a difference, in the first place...., Honestly.

    You don't think limbaugh or hannity has never presented facts/data to
    substantiate their claims? I don't much listen to limbaugh, however
    I do recall hannity attempting to make a case about what is racist.
    He gave a definition of it (evidence) and used it to make the case
    that black folks can be racists. Whether on agrees with him or
    not, doesn't matter. Here's a clip of hannity getting into it
    with a brotha regarding what is "racist" (start at the 2:50 mark):


    Is hannity "whining" or legitimately "complaining" a.k.a,
    making an "observation"? Based on his/a definition (evidence).

    Presenting evidence does not necessarily solidify "truth".
    If someone was murdered in a house and your dna or
    fingerprints...evidence...was all over the place, does that mean you killed
    the person?

    Truth, as you understand it can still arouse emotional responses.
    Facts, as you understand it can still arouse emotional responses.
    Neither are immunned (sp) from emotional responses.

    To the above. Folks had called them "whiners", no?

    To all those whom you've posted, I've heard yts and
    conservative blacks respond to their exclaims, 'don't like it,
    go back to afrika'. Or 'don't like it, then leave amerikkka'.
    I'm sure you, and others, have heard this response as well.

    Wanna know why? Simple. They see it as WHINING.

    Now,

    I noticed that you've put a spin on what you meant by the term 'complaining', for
    when you stated it in another thread, you were stating to the perspective of 'whining',
    and or to a pejorative perspective. Which is, quite likely why you thought it necessary to share
    with me 'the difference'.

    So far,

    What you've shown is that it's all relative. That it depends on which end of
    the rifle one is standing on.
     
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    In addition to your examples in the above Knowledge Seed:

    Black people are in a pretty bad economic situation and its black people's fault.

    Can the previous statement said by someone make them to be a complainer as well?
     
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    In this article a author charged stated:

    "Black members of Congress have spent months knocking President Barack Obama for not paying more attention to the black community"


    Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1111/67386.html#ixzz1d38hIdex

    Ankur, You don't think the cbc can substantiate that claim? You don't think they could provide evidence for that? If they could, then would you consider their 'complaint' legit or would you relegate it to the realm of 'whining'?
     
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    Maxine waters, according to this ariticle:

    Rep. Maxine Waters, D-Calif., a member of the Congressional Black Caucus who's been critical this year of President Obama's response to the high unemployment within the black community, said she found it "curious" that Mr. Obama this weekend told black leaders to "stop complaining."

    "I don't know who he was talking to because we're certainly not complaining," Waters said on CBS' "The Early Show." "We're working. We support him, and we're protecting that base because we want people to be enthusiastic about him when that election rolls around."

    Waters and other CBC members this year have said
    Mr. Obama should do more
    to directly address the black unemployment rate, which is nearly double the national average. The Labor Department earlier this month said unemployment rate among African-Americans was 16.7 percent in August, while the overall unemployment rate last month was 9.1 percent. Among black youth, the unemployment rate was 46.5 percent in August, the government said."

    In view of those statics (evidence), does it give the cbc ground to stand on?


     
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    Yes
     
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    Okay.

    For clarity's sake:

    You don't mean that, nor your original example, in a
    pejorative [whining] since of the word?
     
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    No that is a whiner, becuase it is our self hate that keeps us from looking at the trillion dollars we spend and think seriously and plan seriously for Ujima and Ujamaa.

    Aint a white person in the world can force us to buy white or stop buying white when we have our own,
    and like the president gave us a heads up

    we need to stop whining;

    Read Dr Amos Wilson and see who he says is the impediment to our economic security, on a global basis.
    Read Dr Claude Anderson and see what he says, or what Garvey had to say

    they unfortunately are not street scholars but their words do have merit

    Like said before if some folks desire to support white supremacy and their expressions of Stockholm syndrome statements about their friend; the white man

    by saying he has some mystical supernatural power over the free will of 34 million people of African descent, and that we are nothing more then helpless little guinea pigs in their labaratory,
    unable to initiate anything,

    then they have the right to B and M all they want, hey everyone needs a hobby!

    Like the Scarecrow in the Wiz,
    the only thing that was hanging him up was his hangups!


    "The oppressed and downtrodden, having been traumatized by the abuse of power by their powerful oppressors, often come to perceive power itself as inherently evil, as by nature corrupting and therefore as something to be eschewed, denied and renounced. "

    an ovservation made by the Psychologist Dr Amos Wilson, excerpt from "Blueprint for Black Power"
    http://www.africawithin.com/wilson/blueprint_for_black_power.htm
     
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