Pan Africanism : Communalism is the root of socialism

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  1. kuumba chi nia

    kuumba chi nia Member MEMBER

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    Revolutionary Greetings Comrades,

    What's up The Talking Drum point Com? How ya'll living? In living color:x: :x: Well, we would like to say a few words about Communalism, Communism and Socialism. Of course they are all packing plenty of politics and pontificating passages against poverty, but what is the real meaning of it all, if not from time to time we can come and have a ball?

    Communalism best represents the traditional values of African society. Therein lies, collectivism, egalitarianism, humanism, dialectical materialism and categorical conversion. Is the brotha serious or what? Kuumba Chi Nia are you pulling our legs on this forum? No!

    Communalism in practice meant in one respect that the land was for collective usage and collective economic, political and social advancement. The land was not be negoitated or given to any foreigner. Communalism at this point secured collectivism and packaged it so that we all could benefit. The elders and women were the guiding lights under communalism and they saw to it that Karim stayed in school, respected his parents, knew the value of an honest days work and contributed to society. That Nehanda stayed in school respected her parents, knew the value of an honest days work and contributed to society.

    Communalism was an economic powerhouse, not to be under estimated by fuedal Africa. Therefore, Communalism banishes the individual and the ego treated all as a means to an ends and not simple a means. We are now talking about egalitarianism. Everyone would be respected and had equal rights under the law.

    Humanism means that everything that we did under Communalism was for the advancement of humanity (African humanity). Humanism meant that we had to listen to the message that came from the messager and that we had to do what was economically, socially, and politically correct for the masses.

    Africans, as we know we were the first scientists in earth. We understood the dialectical nature of the world. That is we understood the benefits, the good and the bad and differences in the seasons, plants, animal and primarily humans. This is why we came to reason that of all the economic and political systems we had passed through that Communalism at the time was the one for us and represented our creative collective genius.

    We knew that. That means that our society underwent categorical conversion. We had changed our ways. We had moved from the Clan, all the way to the nation state and we were on our way to the party-state. That is we (Africa) would have converted our society into Socialism because of evolution. But we are not speaking of social-Darwinism. We are speaking of Africa's forward march asbents of Darwin dogma.

    So where as some of us argue that Socialism or Communism is European ego-centric concoction, we have to be mindful of the prinicples of Socialism and Communism. Our confusion lies in individuals, individuals who may call themselves Socialists or Communists, but who in fact or Capitalists'-Imperialists' lackeys to the max.

    We hope this has been helpful in the discussion of Communalism, Socialism and Communism. The last note on Communism is that of the three systems, Communalism, Socialism and Communism, Communism remains the only theory. It has not been practiced. That is because Communism is a higher stage (categorical conversion) of Socialism. Socialism has to put the means of production and resources so thoroughly in the masses hands, that when we make a fist, we send a punch filled with Communism. We have not made it to the arena yet.

    In conclusion, we understand that there is much to learn. We don't know everything. But we do know that we are a creative and dedicated people. We all must agree that we want freedom from mental slavery, economic slavery, political slavery, social slavery and that we want Africa to freed and unified. If we can agree with that then if we don't agree with our anaylsis, we can at least agree to start from here, start from now on to build a mass Party that will deliver all our aspirations.
     
  2. panafrica

    panafrica Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    Very informative kuumba chi nia thank you for your post.
     
  3. rymjack5

    rymjack5 Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    I can agree with that.
     
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    This should not be an inactive thread!

    After posting in Pharoah Jah's thread about communalism, I surfed and found this one which partially answers some questions I asked there, but it also opened the door for new questions. This should not be an inactive thread because, as I read through it, it raises some points that could provide explanations for many of the issues that we discuss here and generate more substantive dialogue. Here are some points that I found most interesting in this thread.

    Communalism--according to kuumba chi nia...

    Communalism best represents the traditional values of African society. Therein lies, collectivism, egalitarianism, humanism, dialectical materialism and categorical conversion.

    Communalism in practice meant in one respect that the land was for collective usage and collective economic, political and social advancement. The land was not be negoitated or given to any foreigner. Communalism at this point secured collectivism and packaged it so that we all could benefit.

    Communalism was an economic powerhouse, not to be under estimated by fuedal Africa. Therefore, Communalism banishes the individual and the ego treated all as a means to an ends and not simple a means. We are now talking about egalitarianism. Everyone would be respected and had equal rights under the law.

    Humanism means that everything that we did under Communalism was for the advancement of humanity (African humanity). Humanism meant that we had to listen to the message that came from the messager and that we had to do what was economically, socially, and politically correct for the masses.


    Now, can someone answer ifasehun's question for me? kuumba chi nia believes that communism/socialism are not European ego-centric concoctions but that its roots are found in communalism. Does anyone agree or disagree?

    As a spiritual people, is it our nature to be communal-oriented where we seemed to be most prosperous and tended to flourish? Because we seem attached to each other worldwide through our common roots, can capitalism benefit us as a people?

    Peace!
     
  5. Pharaoh Jahil

    Pharaoh Jahil Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    Interesting Post...........
     
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    Brother, the points that you bring up is what separates me as a Socialists from other Socialists. This is why I make it clear to people that I'm a African-Communal Socialist because I don't like being confused with these new-liberal socialists whose philosophy seem to be more on the side of anarchy. While I do give it up to people like Karl Marx, I cannot teach my people atheisim. That's not us because Afrikans are a spiritual people! We should be striving towards the Communal-Socialist system such as our ancestors did. I agree with kuumba's thread but I do see your points brother.

    I use to actually think that Communism and Communalism was something totally different until I did some more research... Check out my thread on African Socialism
     
  7. Sun Ship

    Sun Ship Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    Let's move forward

    Now that we know that socialism and communism are probably bastardized political concepts loosely related to and possibly modeled indirectly from African communal societal ideology, let us now focus on the practical and applicable knowledge of African communal life as it can be applied to and how it can positively alter, modern African “American” social issues and lifestyles.


    :time: is running out

    Ashe

    Brother Sun Ship
     
  8. Moo moo

    Moo moo Active Member MEMBER

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    a sensible answer, Sunship... one of the best I've read so far in this forum very short and to the point... another Socialist right here...
     
  9. Moo moo

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    You really need to go to Cuba and SEEEE and FEEEEL the spirit. Other wise, I don't know WHICH "new-liberal-socialists" you are referring to. There are none in this hemisphere unless they are from the U.S.
     
  10. Abantu

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    Cool initial thread! I am definitely a socialist. If being a socialist means favoring community, and humanism I am indeed a socialist. I would say more I am a radical socialist, one who is ultra libertarian against all autocratic, repressive and exploitative systems ( I oppose ALL forms of oppression including homophobia! ). Do you really believe that the individual character of the original African was "socialist" as I describe it? Human society has always been established based on class, so is it not too naive to believe that the original Africans lived in perfect communialism free of class struggle? For instance "slavery" existed in ancient Africa, therefore the aboriginal African societies weren't egalitarian.. Should we conclude "communialism," the higher form of socialism is just an ideal?

    Abantu.
     
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