Black People : Combating the European claim to "universalism": according to Marimba Ani

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  1. RAPTOR

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    "1. refuse to accept "universality" as either humanly possible or desirable.

    2. critically assess all universalistic concepts, including monotheism, scientific objectivity, progressivism, abstract humanism; and reject them when they are found to represent European values only and to conflict with conceptualizations based on our own ideologies.

    3. accept nationalism, that is, cultural commitment, as a potentially positive, liberating, and constructive expression of human energy, depending on the specific content and definition that is given.

    If we are mindful of these cultural facts, European self-interest expressed as "universalism" will become highly visible as an expression of European nationalism and cultural commitment and will thereby lose its intellectual and ideological effectiveness. We will be able to recognize ourselves as victors. For it is now clear that European universalism acts to fulfill the expansionist utamaroho, as it serves the ideological function of utamawazo (cognitive structure) and the power needs of the asili (cultural essence). Rather than being understood, then, as the new nonpartisan morality of an international order, we must interpret universalism, in its European context, in terms of the particularity of the European asili. It is the quintessential statement of European nationalism."
     
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    Marimba Ani is so remarkably brilliant. To dissect the European Asili as she did was phenomenal.
     
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    I must say, that i strongly disagree with this assessment.
    Scientific objectivity, progressivism and humanism are things that need to be better understood and embraced by blacks and africans.

    Scientific objectivity is the only true path to reliable knowledge. These do not represent european values, they ARE universally applicable. Progressivism and humanism are superior to traditionalism and religiosity. It was in fact, the europeans embrace of these traits and rejection of their own backward traditions that allowed them to become strong and temporarily surpass others.

    It is important to understand that the enlightenment is not a representation of european tradition, it is rather a subversion of tradition to the tools of reason and objectivity. These are for all mankind
     
  4. Keita Kenyatta

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    Question: Do you have anymore of that stuff you're smoking? Once you accept the European concept of "OBJECT-TIVITY", that means that everything must be placed OUTSIDE of yourself in order to study and examine it. The object is a THING....something that can be seen, smelled, tasted, heard and touched. For Europeans, if it does not fall within that arena, it doesn't exist. That was one side. The other side is that, Objectivity is impossible because we are all a product of the cultures from which we all come which makes us unique and who we are as a people. This reality is what makes us all special. Objectivity according to European definition would erase this uniqueness and specialness because the goal of objectivity as they define it is to get us all to see it the same way, speak on it the same way, embrace it the same way and so forth. In fact, I'm even a little tired of calling them Europeans being that they only took that name for themselves after the "African Princess Europa" was kidnapped by them. Nobody wants to discuss that history because then we would have to once again ask ourselves; Who are they and where did they come from!!???

    Furthermore, there are three species on this earth. Species one is MAN. This represents only black people. Species two is HUMANS. This represents white people. Species Three is MANKIND. Mankind is a hybrid of Man and Human mixing. More on that later.
     
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    I would marry this woman at the drop of a hat...
     
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    Objectivity may be difficult, but it is not impossible. We come from different cultures but are the same species with the same homonid nature, and the natural world in which we exist is the same regardless of our cultural constructs.

    If indeed you wish to suggest that there exists some reality outside that which can be empirically examined with our senses........ you must ironiclly provide proof of this in order for the hypothesis to have any validity.

    Oh and there is only ONE sapient species currently on this earth, not three. And you may call it Man, Mankind, Human or whatever else, its still the same animal. And to suggest that there are true "hybrids", one would have to first establish racial differenetness. And again, regarding the manmade "race" concept, scientific objectivity does not confim this tribal/political construct
     
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    She's very beautiful too.

    When you hear her, you're like: :10300:

    When you see and hear her, you're like: :10600:
     
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    Even in your own paradigm, for certain important aspects of human existence, objectivity is impossible. For instance, is it objective to say, and hold others to a social arrangement, of male-dominated houses? Is it objective to say, and hold others to a social arrangement, of one man to one woman? These incredibly important social arrangements can't be universally objective, so with these, among others, being disqualified from objectivity, what are you trying to argue should be objective? More importantly, isn't it the case that the Black Family in America is held to a White standard that is propagated as objective? Do not forget that the European colonized other people and imposed upon them systems which were objectively negative for those colonized people. Perhaps that's not all Ani meant, but it's a start for you to grasp the errors of your argument.
     
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    The question of ideal family structure and social arrangements can to a certain extent be objectively analyzed based on the nature of humans. In order to suggest that male-dominated homes ought be the ideal for example, it must first be established some genetic gender basis for such a proposition.
    This goes for any social arrangement. The reason that social arrangements and gender roles in modern society have evolved and allowed for greater eqaulity is that traditions (which favored male domination and tribal bigotry in every culture) were not consistent with reason and scientific verifiability. This is why rational modern cutures have deconstructed and modified these traditional arrangments.

    Regarding polygamy, it is a practice that has historically been male centered. If indeed you wish to advocate this structure as it has traditionally been practiced(males with multiple wives, but not vice-versa) then you must present scientifically based rational
    justification for why femals with multiple husbands should not be allowed but the reverse allowed.
    Mere invocation of african traditionalism will not suffice

    What can and should be legally enforced regarding family structure, and social preferrences is a more complex matter, as it takes into consideration issues of personal liberty and the right of individuals to freely pursue arrangements, including that may be unwise.
     
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    Then maybe you need to study more history since polyandry existed BEFORE POLYGAMY. Furthermore, people lack the ability for this objectivity based upon culture. I would not want to lose what makes me special just for the purpose of "going along to get along". Secondly, since people see and react to another person phenotypically and not genetically, what you propose has no weight or reality in the minds of the masses throughout the world. Thirdly, since it was Afrakan people who TAUGHT all other so called people about spirituality, (which obviously can not be put under a microscope and examined) why would we want to bend or change our paradigm for the sake that OTHERS WHO ARE NOT US WILL GRASP AND UNDERSTAND IT?

    We've been here for millions of years compared to the measly time frame of others. Therefore we have THINGS THAT ARE CULTURALLY AND GENETICALLY ENCODED IN US AS A PEOPLE THAT OTHERS DO NOT HAVE DUE TO THEIR NEW-NESS on the planet. 500 years ago there was no such thing as a puerto rican, which is a hybrid of what? I say this to say that hybrids do exist!! Anytime you take two of anything and mix it to produce something else, what is that called?...that's right, a hybrid. Black people aren't even from EARTH but everyone else is. If we say aliens made us then we are not from here. If we say that a Supreme Being made us, then we are still not from here...but everyone else is because they came through us in one way or another. Your argument isn't logical and is basically structured to get black people to do what?...and for who?...and why? I'm done with this. Thank you anyway. Htp!!
     
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