Where is it, biblically, that Lucifer is Jesus?
Where is it, biblically, that Lucifer is Jesus?
The scriptures you cite, all explain Satan and his demons. Everything you have explained, all refers to Satan. Because Jesus, the Word of GOD, is GOD; it is very difficult, if not impossible, to support the theory that Lucifer is Jesus, biblically.
While I can appreciate your deep respect for the “Specific word of GOD,” however, it does not mean that even his son, Jesus, is to be disregarded. As you well know, biblically, Jesus claimed to be GOD. Hence, the reason for his crucifixion, Blasphemy.
Your position is only slightly different than the Jehovah Witnesses and/or Muslims, that only give Jesus the position of a Prophet. The Witnesses went to great lengths to support their position by creating the NWT of the Bible. In this translation, they had to mutilate the original scriptures, in order to accomplish reducing Jesus to a prophet.
Sons of GOD are Angels and Men, Jesus is the Son of GOD, and there is quite a difference. Key/operative word is the.
This is where you have erred. GOD only has one Son and that Son is Jesus. The Angels are referred to as the “Sons of GOD,” but so are humans (Men).
You have placed Jesus into the category of being one of the “Sons of GOD.” Again, only Angels and Men are “Sons of GOD.” No one, other than Jesus, qualifies as the “Son” of GOD:
MATTHEW 3: 17; And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
PSALMS 2: 7; I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.
LUKE 1: 35; And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of GOD.
MATTHEW 27: 54; Now when the centurion, and they that were with him, watching Jesus, saw the earthquake, and those things that were done, they feared greatly, saying, Truly this was the Son of GOD.
Angels, Sons of GOD, are spirit beings and cannot reproduce carnally. The Sons of GOD referred to in the Genesis’ account apply to: SETH, ENOS, CAINAN, MAHALALEEL, JARED, ENOCH, METHUSELAH, LAMECH and NOAH, NOAH begat SHEM, HAM AND JAPHETH.
GENESIS 6:1, 2: …men began to multiply…sons of God saw the daughters of men…took them wives…all which they chose.
Eve bared Adam, Seth, down to Noah, and Noah and his wife bared Shem, which is the line of Christ Jesus. Jesus simply means, the Word turn flesh or the GOD man, which is the only time anthropomorphism occurred.
Because Noah remained pure and did not “take any of which” for a wife, GOD saved him and his family.
GENESIS 6: 9; These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with GOD.
Many preachers/teachers (seminaries) are teaching that the fallen angels had sex with women, creating Giants. This teaching introduces the first line of brainwashing. The so-called mixing of people, thus changing their dark color to light or even white in color. I am surprise that you support this kind of nonsense. Very surprised!
Please understand, my argument is not about the connotation of referring to Jesus as Lucifer. I do not have a problem with that, the text tells us that Lucifer would be a title of light given to the king of Babylon, which would be Nebuchadrezzar before his fall (see ISA 14: 4). Again the key/operative word is before. Most people do not understand that Lucifer, originally, did not mean Satan. Once again, men interpreting scripture and teaching falsely causes these problems. Again the key/operative word is originally.
Early church fathers, later, applied the fall of Nebuchadrezzar with “O Lucifer,” or Lucifer is fallen to Satan and his demons. Otherwise, Satan, the Devil is never referred to as Lucifer. Again the key/operative word is otherwise.
My problem is you, Music Producer, knowing all this, continue to call Jesus Lucifer and Lucifer Jesus, because of your unwillingness to accept the birth of Christ in the New Testament. Even though, you know that the Old Testament foretold of this miraculous birth and need for mankind. And that you will go to any length to prove the point.
Compare:
Isaiah 14: 12: How are thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning!
Rev. 22: 16: …I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
I prefer Day Star to Bright, you seem to like Bright for Lucifer. Day Star, Bright, no big deal, but “son of the morning” compared to “morning star,” is a big deal. You purposely have twisted these words to support your theory.
Jesus tells us he is the “morning star” not “son of the morning, “ that is where you and the others have erred. Key/operative word is erred.
Now, having understood all this, and the fact that you failed to answer the question, I specifically asked for biblical proof to Jesus being Lucifer; how can you not break the nexus you have created (you only proved that Lucifer could be Nebuchadrezzar)?
Let us (Music Producer and Clyde)remember, and especially “nibs,” that the Holy Bible, or at least I (Clyde), consider the Holy Bible to be the profound word of GOD; which digging, not nibbling, is required for the true meaning to come through.
Music Producer said:It is under the disguise of Mystery writings that is hidden in dark overtones of a continuing theme between the Old and New Testament.
These are all the hits on the phrase Son(s) of GOD.
Gen:6:2: That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
Gen:6:4: There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
Job:1:6: Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.
Job:2:1: Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD.
Job:38:7: When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
Dan:3:25: He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God.
In Geneses they are the first to twist the Word of GOD by taking human women and causing them to bare offsprings. These hybrids between entities referred to as Sons of GOD and Human women became rulers of the earth. From our point of view they became gods on earth, demigods and we began serving them as gods. We were at continual war with each other and being played as puppets to kill each other over the reign and religion of these demigods on earth.
KJV
Gen:6:4: There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
English Bible:
Gen:6:4 There were Nefilim in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men, and they bore children to them, the same became mighty men of old, men of renown.
The original word for “Giants” is “Nefilim” which is translated as “The Fallen”. As you can see the passage relates to these Fallen as being in the earth before and after the demigods. Thus it was the Sons of GOD that rebelled against GOD because of this passage.
Gen:1:26: And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Gen:1:28: And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
The Sons of GOD wanted that dominion and went after it through integrating their likeness with human women. As long as the Sons of GOD and their offspring ruled in the earth Humans could not longer function as GOD intended, we no longer could exist as having dominion over the earth in which the Sons of GOD stole.
To correct this infraction GOD flooded the earth and ended the reign of Sons of GOD and their hybrids but saved Humans through Noah.
This action created animosity between GOD and Sons of GOD because GOD destroyed their children and reign in the earth for humans. Every since then it has been the Sons of GOD to walk the earth to prove to GOD that humans are not worthy of HIM. They do this by influencing humans to write false doctrines that sway humans away from GOD and even causes us to be against GOD.
Jn:8:58: Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
Jesus confirms himself as being in the timeline of the Sons of GOD that became the Fallen.
We also see Jesus confirm himself not just as a Son of GOD but as Lucifer which would be the leader of the Fallen or Head Ruler of the Fallen by right of First Born Created.
KJV
Isa:14:12: How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
English Bible:
Isa:14:12: How are you fallen from heaven, O bright star, son of the morning! how are you cut down to the ground, you who ruled the nations!
We have Jesus referring to himself using a title GOD Himself reserved for a Fallen one of Heaven.
Rv:22:16: I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
Those references are references to the exact same Heavenly Body, Venus, which was called Lucifer.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venus_(planet)
You will have to manuelly add the last parenthesis for the link to work.
Scroll down to “Venus in human culture”.
Now why would Jesus teach that?
These are the explanations of the original Mystery teachings of Egypt, the Mystery writings called Sebayt of Senzar where the Truth is masked within a Truth so that the events will be allowed to take place and not infringe on the future.
Where is it, biblically, that Lucifer is Jesus?
The scriptures you cite, all explain Satan and his demons. Everything you have explained, all refers to Satan. Because Jesus, the Word of GOD, is GOD; it is very difficult, if not impossible, to support the theory that Lucifer is Jesus, biblically.
While I can appreciate your deep respect for the “Specific word of GOD,” however, it does not mean that even his son, Jesus, is to be disregarded. As you well know, biblically, Jesus claimed to be GOD. Hence, the reason for his crucifixion, Blasphemy.
Your position is only slightly different than the Jehovah Witnesses and/or Muslims, that only give Jesus the position of a Prophet. The Witnesses went to great lengths to support their position by creating the NWT of the Bible. In this translation, they had to mutilate the original scriptures, in order to accomplish reducing Jesus to a prophet.
Sons of GOD are Angels and Men, Jesus is the Son of GOD, and there is quite a difference. Key/operative word is the.
This is where you have erred. GOD only has one Son and that Son is Jesus. The Angels are referred to as the “Sons of GOD,” but so are humans (Men).
You have placed Jesus into the category of being one of the “Sons of GOD.” Again, only Angels and Men are “Sons of GOD.” No one, other than Jesus, qualifies as the “Son” of GOD:
MATTHEW 3: 17; And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
PSALMS 2: 7; I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.
LUKE 1: 35; And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of GOD.
MATTHEW 27: 54; Now when the centurion, and they that were with him, watching Jesus, saw the earthquake, and those things that were done, they feared greatly, saying, Truly this was the Son of GOD.
Angels, Sons of GOD, are spirit beings and cannot reproduce carnally. The Sons of GOD referred to in the Genesis’ account apply to: SETH, ENOS, CAINAN, MAHALALEEL, JARED, ENOCH, METHUSELAH, LAMECH and NOAH, NOAH begat SHEM, HAM AND JAPHETH.
GENESIS 6:1, 2: …men began to multiply…sons of God saw the daughters of men…took them wives…all which they chose.
Eve bared Adam, Seth, down to Noah, and Noah and his wife bared Shem, which is the line of Christ Jesus. Jesus simply means, the Word turn flesh or the GOD man, which is the only time anthropomorphism occurred.
Because Noah remained pure and did not “take any of which” for a wife, GOD saved him and his family.
GENESIS 6: 9; These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with GOD.
Many preachers/teachers (seminaries) are teaching that the fallen angels had sex with women, creating Giants. This teaching introduces the first line of brainwashing. The so-called mixing of people, thus changing their dark color to light or even white in color. I am surprise that you support this kind of nonsense. Very surprised!
Please understand, my argument is not about the connotation of referring to Jesus as Lucifer. I do not have a problem with that, the text tells us that Lucifer would be a title of light given to the king of Babylon, which would be Nebuchadrezzar before his fall (see ISA 14: 4). Again the key/operative word is before. Most people do not understand that Lucifer, originally, did not mean Satan. Once again, men interpreting scripture and teaching falsely causes these problems. Again the key/operative word is originally.
Early church fathers, later, applied the fall of Nebuchadrezzar with “O Lucifer,” or Lucifer is fallen to Satan and his demons. Otherwise, Satan, the Devil is never referred to as Lucifer. Again the key/operative word is otherwise.
My problem is you, Music Producer, knowing all this, continue to call Jesus Lucifer and Lucifer Jesus, because of your unwillingness to accept the birth of Christ in the New Testament. Even though, you know that the Old Testament foretold of this miraculous birth and need for mankind. And that you will go to any length to prove the point.
Compare:
Isaiah 14: 12: How are thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning!
Rev. 22: 16: …I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
I prefer Day Star to Bright, you seem to like Bright for Lucifer. Day Star, Bright, no big deal, but “son of the morning” compared to “morning star,” is a big deal. You purposely have twisted these words to support your theory.
Jesus tells us he is the “morning star” not “son of the morning, “ that is where you and the others have erred. Key/operative word is erred.
Now, having understood all this, and the fact that you failed to answer the question, I specifically asked for biblical proof to Jesus being Lucifer; how can you not break the nexus you have created (you only proved that Lucifer could be Nebuchadrezzar)?
Let us (Music Producer and Clyde)remember, and especially “nibs,” that the Holy Bible, or at least I (Clyde), consider the Holy Bible to be the profound word of GOD; which digging, not nibbling, is required for the true meaning to come through.