Black Spirituality Religion : Collective Benefits of Being Demonic ?

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  1. Destee

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    Peace and Blessings Family,

    There seems to be a push for us to move toward demonic things, the occult, etc.

    It's being presented to us as the answer to the ills our people face collectively.

    So i'm wanting to know what or where, specifically, are the benefits of this?

    Our people are dying daily. Brothers incarcerated at alarming rates. Hunger and Homelessness Abound.

    So tell me please ... how will being demonic change our collective condition?

    I'm all for anything that will make our collective condition better.

    Unfortunately, up until now, i've only seen this "demonic energy" trying to be used to hurt us, threaten us, etc.

    I have yet to see any evidence that it can or is being used to free us collectively, from our current condition.

    If becoming demonic is the answer to our collective condition, then please, present some evidence supporting that.

    Thanks in advance.

    :heart:

    Destee
     
  2. Bootzey

    Bootzey Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    Maybe this has nothing to do with being “demonic” (I still really don’t like how that word is being bandied about. I‘m thinking y‘all using it in a negative way) but I believe that if we give up the white man’s religion is a huge step for our people in re-gaining knowledge of self and civilization.
     
  3. Belsidus

    Belsidus Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    Greetings Sister Destee,

    The words "Demon" and "Occult" usually suggest "evil" intent particularly in a Euro-Christian environment. Evil itself is really subjective concept. Consider the analogy of the Fox and the Henhouse. From the point of view of the Hen, the presence of the Fox represents evil because the Hen is in danger of being eaten. From the point of view of the Fox, his presence in the Henhouse is a good thing.

    One problem that I'm seeing is that you are looking at the subject of the occult from the wrong perspective which with all due respect is a Euro-Christian perspective. From this perspective of course it is evil. The occult is a threat to the Euro-Christian way of life. This isn't theory. The most successful slave rebellion in the Western Hemisphere was when Haiti used Voudon to defeat the most powerful nations in the world at the time. No Afrikan "tribe" that kept their spiritual traditions have been truly colonized. This dynamic can even be seen in other cultures. Do you know what Thailand, Japan, and Ethiopia have in common? They've never been colonized. Why? They never allowed Euro-Christianity to take hold in their countries. Nations are conquered first through the mind or spirit and THEN physically. That's why the USA lost in Vietnam, they never defeated the people spiritually.


    Now why hasn't the "occult" worked for Black people in the United States? Very simple, we run from what WHITES call the "occult". The number of Blacks who truly practice any occult arts in the United States may barely fill a football stadium. The majority of the Black people who are suffering, practice a Euro-Christian culture EVEN if they don't go to church. Most of the TRUE occultists I know personally are doing very well spiritually AND materially. Yet, many Black Christians will call those people, including myself demonic because we practice something they were programmed to fear.

    Here's the thing. The occultists can do some things to bring the energy to make things better and many do because what's presented on these boards and in the books mentioned is only the tip of the iceberg. They can only go so far. Everyone has free choice and Blacks are freely choosing a path of powerlessness.

    Think on this.

    Peace,
    Belsidus
     
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    CHAOS

    ASE TO THE DARK GOD BELSIDUS!!!!!

    YR POST BROUGHT MUCH CHAOS TO MY EARS!!!
     
  5. Omowale Jabali

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    Thank you for making the point above which is why I identify with "Ethiopian" more than anything else and why I view some things differently than do others. Another difference is that I can go to church any day and still not label folks who practice Vodun, Akan, Ife, Native as "demonic" is because I know how these have even been "syncretized" into the church itself going back to the Ethiopian Orthodox and Coptic churches which based the Jesus metaphor on the allegories of Heru.
     
  6. tyab14

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    I ain't trying to disrupt this thread, but bro OMO if you get a chance, can you do a thread breaking down this? I want to know more about this original Ethiopian Orthodox and Coptic Churches and what they were dealing with.
     
  7. Destee

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    Belsidus ... Peace and Blessings ... Thanks for sharing with me.

    I understand what you're saying, in that i come into this discussion with the information i've been fed over the years, but i'm not stuck there. I'm more than willing to change my way of thinking, regarding this and other things, as i have done over these many years ... as a result of sharing with so many knowledgeable, generous, and willing Sisters and Brothers.

    I'm well aware of the prejudices i may bring to the table, so i'm very reluctant to present them, opting rather to ask questions and understand that which i don't.

    While my perspective may be hindering me some, i don't believe it is the problem. What is the problem for me, is the presentation of the one that came here with the talk of being a demon, presenting the occult to us, in the manner that he did ... and using it to threaten other Members in this community.

    I believe that is the problem i have now.

    If you had been the one to present yourself as a demon, or the occult, never having threatened another Member with whatever powers you have, being respectful to us, sharing the information in the best of manners ... my perception would probably be different right now ... but that's not what happened.

    When all of this came, so too did threats of magick against our Members.

    I am very protective of us, this community, and all who share here.

    I have had my own personal experience with someone who said they possessed such knowledge and ability, and tried to frighten me, or scare me, or close us down, or whatever they were attempting to do ... by wielding this knowledge about, attacking me (in whatever ways they could) in an attempt to frighten me into submission i suppose ... i don't even really know ... but this too plays a part in the perspective that i have ... my personal experience with such.

    I have never, to my knowledge, known anyone that claimed such powers or abilities, and then set about to use them to help us collectively ... though i'm beginning to reform this thinking some now, as i think on other Sisters and Brothers that have and do share with us, that have never presented their knowledge in a threatening, attacking manner, even though i don't remember them claiming such power, they probably have it.

    So i'm kinda caught right now ... between a rock and a hard place, if you will ... as i want to understand ... but the one that brought the information ... attacked us ... so i'm shut down on so many levels to whatever they say ... and my perception of all of this ... because of their initial actions right here in this community.

    It's kind of like someone coming into your home, stabbing one of your loved ones, and then offering you food. It wouldn't matter what he was offering, i'd not want it. My reluctance to embrace this, has nothing to do with white people, and everything to do with how this Black Person came into this community and conducted themselves, claiming to have knowledge from on high (or low).

    I see i have to get past that, realize that they are probably not the best representative of this ... and try to lean toward those who don't act this way ... but many are standing in defense of him, in spite of the actions they witnessed and have heard about ... which leaves me more puzzled ... and not sure what to think of all of this.

    If the behavior i've witnessed from those who claim such power and ability, is indicative of all, then i doubt that it's white people, and what they've said to us about the occult, that hinder us ... but rather ... the way the occultists, demons, etc., are presenting their own selves, that is the hindrance.

    Nonetheless ... i do appreciate you sharing with me, giving me a different perspective to view.

    Thank You.

    Much Love and Peace.

    :heart:

    Destee
     
  8. Omowale Jabali

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    Search google or amazon for a book entitled AFRA:BROTHER OF LIGHT:SPIRITUAL TEACHINGS FROM AN ASCENDED MASTER

    I might explain later if I get the chance.
     
  9. MysteryDoors

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    AGAIN DESTEE, A BAD DEMON OR A GOOD ANGEL IS A MYTH, BUT THE MYTHS SYMBOLIZE HUMAN BEHAVIORS OR CHARACTERISTICS. METAPHORICALLY SPEAKING A BAD DEMON OR “BAD DEMON POSSESSED PERSON” IS CONSIDERED AS AN ILL PERSON WITH AN IMBALANCE PERSONALITY IN WHICH IS “SELF DESTRUCTIVE” DOES BAD THINGS AND CAUSES DISRUPTION OF GOOD UNITY WITH DISORDERLY CHAOS.

    ALSO, THE SO CALLED “BAD DEMON POSSESSED PERSON” MAY HAS BEEN A PERSON INVOLVED WITH BAD DRUGS OR TOO MUCH OF ALCOHOLS, MAYBE GOT CAUGHT UP WITH BAD ASSOCIATION AND MAYBE JUST BAD PARENTS. WHO KNOWS WHAT HAPPEN TO THE PERSON THAT BECAME MENTALLY DERANGED?

    THE SO CALLED GOOD DAEMON IS THE OPPOSITE OF BAD DEMON.

    I THINK YOU SAID SOMETHING LIKE HOW CAN THIS OCCULTISM AND DEMONS MAKES THE COLLECTIVE BETTER?

    WELL, IF WE WANT TO MAKES THE COLLECTIVE BETTER THEN WE NEEDS TO TAKE THE TIME TO STUDY OCCULTISM AND DEMONS, LEARN FROM IT AND EXPLAIN IT TO OUR YOUTH.


    THE FOLLOWING WILL BE A START…
    http://destee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=535302&postcount=34

    http://destee.com/forums/showthread.php?t=55360
     
  10. Belsidus

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    Greetings Sister Destee,

    I see where you are coming from and with your personal experience have a reason to be concerned and to also have questions. I would leave with this. In all systems there's "good" and "bad". It all a matter of perspective really. Just like the Fox and Hen analogy I used. You know one time I was talking to a former pimp who is now a powerful spiritual master. We were talking about Black Christian Ministers and how they exploit their congregations for money, sex, and power. I said, "Pimps in the pulpit!" This spiritual master looked at me and in a very serious tone said, "Don't insult pimps like that!"

    Any system be it the "occult" or Black Southern Baptists are going to have a range of personalities consider both good and evil. That doesn't invalidate the whole system which in themselves are neutral.

    Think on this.

    Peace,
    Belsidus
     
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