Omowale Jabali : Close, But Not Yet

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  1. Omowale Jabali

    Omowale Jabali The Cosmic Journeyman PREMIUM MEMBER

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    Early election results indicate the Democrats have remained control of the US House of Representatives and the Senate race is down to two states, Virginia and Montana.

    A key Senatorial race was that of Harold Ford, Jr. in Tenessee. I believe he lost by 1 or 2 percent at the time of his concession.

    What this means is still not a single Black Senator to the US Senate since the Reconstruction era.

    I can not help but wonder what the turnout of Black voters was in Tennessee and also in the state of Virginia.

    There are several key races that will be decied by similar margins such as the election in Missouri.

    Also, in Texas, the incumbant Rick Perry was re-elected to governor with only 38% of the vote. Two independent candidates recieved a combined 28% which means Perry hardly recieved a mandate from Texas voters.

    If this country is not ready for a single Black US Senator, how can anyone seriously think that Barack Omama or any other African-American is ready for a Presidential bid?

    America is close to reversing a republican face but not nearly ready to consider itself a true democracy.

    This goes to show that a handful more of optimistic Black voters can truly make a difference with more participation in the electoral process. Unfortunately, we are close, but not yet ready to assume this responsibility.
     
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    barack obama is different in the sense that though black (biracial to be technical) he was raised and socialized by whites and lived in the white world until he was teenager

    his being biracial and his early socialization can count for much in many peoples minds regardless of ethnicity.

    regarding the black vote, blacks should not vote only for blacks. there are many blacks out there that are far worst predators to black people than many white people. besides the other candidate might have had more appeal, especially since many blacks are adamantly against abortion or gay rights and would rather see those banned or endangered than live in good neighborhoods with good schools and also take into account the religious climate and racial climate.

    as well as some blacks having their rights to vote removed due to incarceration, and the voter list and voter machine fraud -- there are many reasons why there will never be an accurate accounting for black voters.

    given that blacks are a minority in most places, why would the black vote matter everywhere. there are many places in this country where a candidate can ignore the black vote and win by large margins.
     
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    "there are many places in this country where a candidate can ignore the black vote and win by large margins."

    Perhaps this is true but what I am talking about is so many races which were close, as I said 1-2%, such as in the case of Harold Ford, Jr.

    Furthermore, you mention negative factors concerning Blacks but the number one concern of voters, according to exit polls, was corruption.

    "there are many blacks out there that are far worse predators to black people than many white people."

    What does that have to do with this issue, supposing you are correct?

    Mark Foley....Tom Delay.....the Enron scandal....white have proven to be predators of their own so what black politicians can you compare to the forementioned in recent situations?

    You know as I do if Barak Obama ran for President he would not be seen as the "bi-racial" candidate in the eyes of most people.

    He would still be seen by most white supremacists as another uppity ******....
     
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    philomath Banned MEMBER

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    you were implying that people did not win because blacks did not vote when in certain areas the entire black population could vote for one candidate and he would lose unless others also voted for him

    if you do not know the population demographics of a particular region, you can't say anything other than specualtion

    black politicians will not always necessarily work in the favor of their black constituency especially if they have a constituency that is minority black. where i live due to reapportionmend districts that were primarily black were redrawn to be minority black or black with a significant nonblack presence, also due to gentrification the needs of a community changes and any politician worth his salt would listen to the majority who put him in office rather than the minority who didn't vote for him, although he may trie every now and then to sway them to his side

    maybe in your neck of the woods but many people have that thinking where i am from . it's like th perceived difference between going to a white school or a hbcu. every article heralds him as the son of a black african man and white american woman, these articles are slanted for a reason
     
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    I was not implying anything and spoke specifically, more than once, concerning Harold Ford, Jr. You are overgeneralizing while I spoke of a specific situation.

    "maybe in your neck of the woods but many people have that thinking where i am from."

    And where exactly is that? Most people know I used to live in Cali and am now in Texas. Dallas (proper) to be specific. Dallas is now more of a Democratic stronghold than republican. It has a very rich African heritage. Yet, neither in Texas or Cali are there any Black senators, nor any viable Black candidates for statewide elections except a few assembly races.

    These are two of the most populous states in the country with large numbers of African American and Latino voters. I suggest that they are fair enough barometers to indicate the readiness of american voters on a national scale.
     
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    in your neck of the woods is a colloquial expression used to mean where you live or where you are from ie that's the way things may be where you are or are from-- the user does not have to know where the other person is from

    senators are chosen one way and representatives are chosen by district. if you can prove that there is a significant black presence that was able to vote, i will agree with you

    where i live has a heavy black and hispanic immigrant population, so many of the people in the neighborhood can't vote, as they are not naturalized and their kids are still too young

    how many people are not allowed to vote due to conviction in criminal court?

    etc. etc.

    it is impossible to say these races were the result of blacks not voting without solid numbers. i have several neighbors who make sure that they vote and any elderly or immobile people in the neighborhood vote as well

    i understand where you are coming from in regards to voter apathy, but without solid numbers i cannot blame AAs
     
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    All you are doing is giving me a myriad of excuses why Black and Latinos don't or can't vote. The truth is even among those who can they usually have low voter turn-out.

    Even on this site we have those arguing against the practice of voting. We continue to make arguments why we can't participate in the system then complain about white supremacy, many times doing nothing to be pro-active, just more complaining.

    In the Harold Ford contest I did not blame anyone. I stated it would be interesting to see what the numeber were and I still maintian this position in many races which were decided by narrow margins.

    "how many people are not allowed to vote due to conviction in criminal court?"

    I guarantee it is a much smaller number than those who are registered voters but choose not to do so.

    I am a black male that grew up in a major, metrololitan area (los angeles) and even with the gang problem MOST black men I know are NOT "felons".

    This to me is another cop-out and overgeneralized argument.
     
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    i am not overgeneralizing just trying to present another argument. neither was I trying to imply that all black men are felons, but i saw a program a couple years ago where the mentioned if one robert brown was convicted, corrupt polling precincts would automatically throw out all robert brown votes instead of only the felons

    using my neighborhood as an example, the whites are the minority of actual residents yet make up a majority of the voters due to many of the others in the community being immigrants

    maybe there is a back story to this? is there anyone on this site that is from that area or maybe you need to find a newspaper and see what they say
     
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    Omowale Jabali The Cosmic Journeyman PREMIUM MEMBER

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    Wow....you have just proven that you have not READ my posts except for a few statements.

    MOST people here KNOW that I AM from Los Angeles...lol..!

    I also KNOW that California has not had a viable Black candidate for Governor or the Senate largely because BLACK FOLKS DON'T VOTE.

    Furthermore, I don't need to find a newspaper...I SUBSCRIBE to the Los Angeles SENTINEL (in fact I need to renew).

    I mentioned Cali in the first place becuase it has had Black mayors of two of the countries largest, most populous cities...Los Angeles and San Francisco....and elected Black officials from other population centers such as Pasadena, Compton, San Diego and Oakland.

    Blacks have not CONSOLIDATED political gains amidst demographic changes and declining voter participation. Low voter turnout generally is the situation in California. I am willing to bet this explains why Arnold got re-elected by such a large margin, also factoring "Phil Angiledes"??

    How sorry can Cali get...??
     
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    i was talking about finding a tenessee newspaper to see if there was more behind the harold ford situation

    i am new to this forum so i haven't read every single thread

    my main question is how many blacks are there in those cities you mentioned? i understand that california has more hispanics than anything else, is that correct?

    it starts small. my family is indirectly involved in politics since they and several other members of their group financially donate to the political campaigns of several politicians

    again, how many of the black people you are talking about can vote?
     
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