Black People : Christmas and the Celebration of Hidden Meanings

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    UBNaturally Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    Really couldn't decide where to post this, but the open forum is fitting without getting chewed out.


    This image is one of the more pronounced ones to give a good showing as to how the "governing classes" tend to represent their thoughts about their established systems.

    The "Star of David" or "Seal of Solomon" are supposedly represented here.
    But of course they are layered under the guise of a "Bright Star" atop, and "snow flakes" below.

    Rev 22:16
    I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

    Using this piece of text from the Books just for representation purposes, not to have a discussion on the books.

    Here is another reference point for discussion:

    Jer 10:1
    Hear ye the word which the LORD speaketh unto you, O house of Israel:

    Jer 10:2
    Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them.

    Jer 10:3
    For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.

    Jer 10:4
    They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.

    Now let's take a look at what some consider the "Star of Saturn" and the "Star of Moloch:


    Here is a depiction of the "Golden Calf"


    Buffy's attempt to make the simple cow (Saturn/Moloch) look like a vicious beast/man[​IMG]

    1969 album from Saturnalia

    Saturnalia (for those that have yet to be made aware of it):

    How Did Christmas Come to Be Celebrated on December 25?

    1. Roman pagans first introduced the holiday of Saturnalia, a week long period of lawlessness celebrated between December 17-25. During this period, Roman courts were closed, and Roman law dictated that no one could be punished for damaging property or injuring people during the weeklong celebration. The festival began when Roman authorities chose “an enemy of the Roman people” to represent the “Lord of Misrule.” Each Roman community selected a victim whom they forced to indulge in food and other physical pleasures throughout the week. At the festival’s conclusion, December 25th, Roman authorities believed they were destroying the forces of darkness by brutally murdering this innocent man or woman.​

    2. The ancient Greek writer poet and historian Lucian (in his dialogue entitled Saturnalia) describes the festival’s observance in his time. In addition to human sacrifice, he mentions these customs: widespread intoxication; going from house to house while singing naked; rape and other sexual license; and consuming human-shaped biscuits (still produced in some English and most German bakeries during the Christmas season).​

    • Eggnog
    • Caroling
    • Gingerbread men

    3. In the 4th century CE, Christianity imported the Saturnalia festival hoping to take the pagan masses in with it. Christian leaders succeeded in converting to Christianity large numbers of pagans by promising them that they could continue to celebrate the Saturnalia as Christians.​

    4. The problem was that there was nothing intrinsically Christian about Saturnalia. To remedy this, these Christian leaders named Saturnalia’s concluding day, December 25th, to be Jesus’ birthday.​

    5. Christians had little success, however, refining the practices of Saturnalia. As Stephen Nissenbaum, professor history at the University of Massachussetts, Amherst, writes, “In return for ensuring massive observance of the anniversary of the Savior’s birth by assigning it to this resonant date, the Church for its part tacitly agreed to allow the holiday to be celebrated more or less the way it had always been.” The earliest Christmas holidays were celebrated by drinking, sexual indulgence, singing naked in the streets (a precursor of modern caroling), etc.​

    6. The Reverend Increase Mather of Boston observed in 1687 that “the early Christians who first observed the Nativity on December 25 did not do so thinking that Christ was born in that Month, but because the Heathens’ Saturnalia was at that time kept in Rome, and they were willing to have those Pagan Holidays metamorphosed into Christian ones.” Because of its known pagan origin, Christmas was banned by the Puritans and its observance was illegal in Massachusetts between 1659 and 1681. However, Christmas was and still is celebrated by most Christians.​

    7. Some of the most depraved customs of the Saturnalia carnival were intentionally revived by the Catholic Church in 1466 when Pope Paul II, for the amusement of his Roman citizens, forced Jews to race naked through the streets of the city. An eyewitness account reports, “Before they were to run, the Jews were richly fed, so as to make the race more difficult for them and at the same time more amusing for spectators. They ran… amid Rome’s taunting shrieks and peals of laughter, while the Holy Father stood upon a richly ornamented balcony and laughed heartily.”​

    8. As part of the Saturnalia carnival throughout the 18th and 19th centuries CE, rabbis of the ghetto in Rome were forced to wear clownish outfits and march through the city streets to the jeers of the crowd, pelted by a variety of missiles. When the Jewish community of Rome sent a petition in1836 to Pope Gregory XVI begging him to stop the annual Saturnalia abuse of the Jewish community, he responded, “It is not opportune to make any innovation.” On December 25, 1881, Christian leaders whipped the Polish masses into Antisemitic frenzies that led to riots across the country. In Warsaw 12 Jews were brutally murdered, huge numbers maimed, and many Jewish women were raped. Two million rubles worth of property was destroyed.​

    So consider this, and we can expound on it if interested...

    When December 25th rolls around this solar cycle, will one consider this image while observing?


    Or this one?


    or maybe this one?

    2Ki 16:2
    Twenty years old was Ahaz when he began to reign, and reigned sixteen years in Jerusalem, and did not that which was right in the sight of the LORD his God, like David his father.

    2Ki 16:3
    But he walked in the way of the kings of Israel, yea, and made his son to pass through the fire, according to the abominations of the heathen, whom the LORD cast out from before the children of Israel.

    The saying "pass through the fire" is something that may not be heard often, but in ritual it is still done today in certain "cultures".

    The "red carpet" is a subtle symbolic tradition of entering unto "Saturn/Moloch".

    Where as "Fire Walking" is still common and can be seen as a novelty, but yet it is still considered a "rite of passage".​

    Of course the cattle is simply a representation of something else, but just consider that "Saturnalia" (which is what occurs at the end of the so call Gregorian calendar year) as being a celebration of "Moloch/Saturn" and keeping up the traditions of the celebrations allow the "governing classes" to remain confident that the other "classes" are still asleep.

    So do consider when that "tree" goes up, to whom is it relaying a message to from that window?


    And for those that decorate the entire house with Santa (do your own word association to determine where Santa comes from) and his reign deer... here goes rudolph


    Red nose and all


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