Black Spirituality Religion : CHRISTMAS AND BLOODSHED.

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  1. ibrahim

    ibrahim Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    Yesterday, my christian friends were dicussing about how they were going to celebrate x'mas. So i was thinking and asked myself some questions.

    Did the Bible say Jesus as born on the 25th of December?

    There is no mention in the Bible nor did Jesus ever mention that christians should celebrate x'mas apart from the last super when he shared Bread and wine with his disciples and said DO THIS in remembrace of me.


    Did Jesus himself ever celebrated his own birthday. As far as i know, only king Herod celebrated his birthday and one that John the Baptist as executed and his head given to him daughter on a platter as a gift.

    Isn't xmas associated with blooshed?

    So why do christians celebrate xmas.
     
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    Well.. for years the reason why I/We celebrated Christmas was because I/we believed that God gave his only begotten son so that we could have life. He gave his son as a gift. So I/we exchanged gifts in rememberance of what God did for us. Now, I know to many this DO NOT make any sense.. but like I said this is why I/WE (those in my circle) celebrated Christmas.
     
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    In fact, Jesus never even called anyone a christian.

    Out of all the gospels that were circulating among the People of the Way the four chosen by the Roman Catholic churc are the four that helped them to formulate a new state religion which they thought would help their ailing empire.

    There is so much disagreement about events among those four gospels that they really can't serve as historical documents of Jesus' life.

    Xmas was not celebrated until the fourth century.

    Brotha Aqil's threads about the virgin birth and Santa claus are excellent sources of information about the history of this holiday,
     
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    Sister River, i will check Brother Aqil's thread and i might have something to say. Buy anyway, thx for the info...
     
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    Apart from giving and talking gifts do you go merry making on this day?
     
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    Ibrahim


    The Christmas season was actually a pagan holiday carried over from Norther European pagans before Christianity was established by the Romans.

    It was called "yule tide" and it was actually a celebration of the Winter Soltice.

    The act of cutting down an evergreen tree and decorating it was a tradition the European pagans learned from the Persia pagans....who did it in rememberance of Nimrod.

    The "Santa" in Santa Claus is actually related to the word "Satan".

    When you examine "Old St. Nick".....

    Nick was an old term for the devil, and Muslims don't call eachother by "Nick-names" because they're of the devil.
     
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    Wow I never made that connection before about nick names.

    You are right about the Persians and Europeans. In fact Mithra was a Persian and Hindu sun god who was imported into the Mediterranian area about the same time as christianity so the two systems kinda grew up together and christianity borrowed heavily from mithranism. There were several sun gods who were born of a virgin on the winter solstice (December 25 under the Julian calendar) hundreds and even thousands of years before Jesus.

    Most christians would rather not know the history of the things they practice. Ignorance is bliss.
     
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    Thank you, my sister.

    You speak truth to power, sister river. As Mencius said:

    "To act without clear understanding; to form habits without investigation; to follow a path all one’s life not truly knowing where it leads…this is the behavior of the multitudes."
     
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    And yet the christian believes all the time that he is following the "narrow way."

    I have also noticed your signature and was so struck by it that I shared it with several friends.
     
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    The first problem is Santa Claus isn't even recognized in the Latin world.


    Santa is related to Saint through the Latin language but both words are related to the word "Satan".

    Just like Deva was the same word used by both the Aryans in India and the Perians.
    But where as Devas were good "gods" in to the Aryans, the Devas were "demons" to the Persians.

    It's just a play on different words but they are still related.


    Satan = Advarsary or Advocate.....spokesmen.....lawyer...procecuting attorney in a sense.

    Saints used to be used by the Catholics and others to "mediate" between humans and God.

    Do your history and you'll make the connection.
     
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