Black Spirituality Religion : Christians: What are your views on "the Hamitic Curse?" Does it really refer to all Africans?

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  1. John Williams

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    Peace & Blessings to you,

    ...more than once I have heard White Christians refer to Blacks as the cursed descendants of Ham, the son of Noah. The whole story of the curse of Ham can be found in Gen. 9:20-29:

    "(20)And Noah began to be an husbandman, and he planted a vineyard: (21)And he drank of the wine, and was drunken; and he was uncovered within his tent. (22)And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father, and told his two brethren without. (23)And Shem and Japheth took a garment, and laid it upon both their shoulders, and went backward, and covered the nakedness of their father; and their faces were backward, and they saw not their father's nakedness. (24)And Noah awoke from his wine, and knew what his younger son had done unto him. (25)And he said, Cursed be Canaan; a servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren. (26)And he said, Blessed be the Lord God of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant. (27)God shall enlarge Japheth, and he shall dwell in the tents of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant. (28)And Noah lived after the flood three hundred and fifty years. (29)And all the days of Noah were nine hundred and fifty years: and he died."

    Christians, do you believe that the curse referred to in this Scripture refers to all Black people?
     
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    "The Curse Of Ham"
    Discussion in 'Christian Study Group' started by cherryblossom, Aug 19, 2009

    http://destee.com/index.php?threads/the-curse-of-ham.57747/

    Black Christians : - "The Curse Of Ham"

    Are Black People Cursed? The Curse of Ham by Tony Evans...
    destee.com


    http://destee.com/index.php?threads/the-curse-of-ham.57747/#post-591866

    Black Christians : - "The Curse Of Ham"

    Are Black People Cursed? The Curse of Ham by Tony Evans...
    destee.com


     
  3. John Williams

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    Well Bro. Clyde, everyone, like me, may not want to visit a "Christian Study Group." What about this issue for people who don't want to visit a "Christian Study Group?"
     
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    Nothing precludes anyone from reading the information, Sir, lol. No one asked you to get involved in the Study Group, okay?


     
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    Burtha Clyde, why is this passage always misread? Ham is not the one cursed, It's Canaan.

    (25)And he said, Cursed be Canaan; a servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren. (26)And he said, Blessed be the Lord God of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant.


    Peace!
     
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    If White Christians believe in the curse of Ham as meaning that all Africans are cursed and bound to be the slaves of Whites, what does it mean to you (a Black Christian) that White Christians believe that?
     
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    Correct you are Enki ...

    Its misread and pushed by white folk bro. Enki. Let me give you a direct link to this conversation. Even mega church pastor, Tony Evans, out of Dallas, is on record explaining why this occurred and the reasons behind this gross misrepresentation.

    Also, I cover this aspect, among many others, in depth in my book, "Does Color Matter?"


    "The Curse Of Ham"
    Discussion in 'Christian Study Group' started by cherryblossom, Aug 19, 2009

    http://destee.com/index.php?threads/the-curse-of-ham.57747/

    Black Christians : - "The Curse Of Ham"

    Are Black People Cursed? The Curse of Ham by Tony Evans...
    destee.com


    http://destee.com/index.php?threads/the-curse-of-ham.57747/#post-591866

    Black Christians : - "The Curse Of Ham"

    Are Black People Cursed? The Curse of Ham by Tony Evans...
    destee.com


    My job bro. Enki, is to correct the biblical wrongs perpetuated by white folk, hence the title of my book:

    "Does Color Matter? Only when misrepresented: The Bible depicts the Colors of man and Consequences of false Representation" ...

    Most people gloss right over this portion: Consequences of false Representation ...





     
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    It makes me feel sorrowful for them, they've been terribly mislead ...

     
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    To believe a white man's interpretation of the bible that curses our people for generations can't be healthy or productive. With this burden on the backs of many of our people, I am amazed that we have come as far as we have.

    I am slowly starting to let go of the bible for this very reason.
     
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    Thanks for the link brutha Clyde.

    In reading the article, I just realized something else about, our enslavement. It was to Yt's advantage that we weren't able to read their language, and they had to keep it that way.
    If we knew this, who knows how many Nat Turners we would have had.

    Peace!
     
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