Black Spirituality Religion : Christians: What are your views on "the Hamitic Curse?" Does it really refer to all Africans?

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  1. John Williams

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    Peace & Blessings to you,

    ...more than once I have heard White Christians refer to Blacks as the cursed descendants of Ham, the son of Noah. The whole story of the curse of Ham can be found in Gen. 9:20-29:

    "(20)And Noah began to be an husbandman, and he planted a vineyard: (21)And he drank of the wine, and was drunken; and he was uncovered within his tent. (22)And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father, and told his two brethren without. (23)And Shem and Japheth took a garment, and laid it upon both their shoulders, and went backward, and covered the nakedness of their father; and their faces were backward, and they saw not their father's nakedness. (24)And Noah awoke from his wine, and knew what his younger son had done unto him. (25)And he said, Cursed be Canaan; a servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren. (26)And he said, Blessed be the Lord God of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant. (27)God shall enlarge Japheth, and he shall dwell in the tents of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant. (28)And Noah lived after the flood three hundred and fifty years. (29)And all the days of Noah were nine hundred and fifty years: and he died."

    Christians, do you believe that the curse referred to in this Scripture refers to all Black people?
     
  2. Clyde C Coger Jr

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    "The Curse Of Ham"
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    http://destee.com/index.php?threads/the-curse-of-ham.57747/

    http://destee.com/index.php?threads/the-curse-of-ham.57747/#post-591866

     
  3. John Williams

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    Well Bro. Clyde, everyone, like me, may not want to visit a "Christian Study Group." What about this issue for people who don't want to visit a "Christian Study Group?"
     
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    Nothing precludes anyone from reading the information, Sir, lol. No one asked you to get involved in the Study Group, okay?


     
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    Burtha Clyde, why is this passage always misread? Ham is not the one cursed, It's Canaan.

    (25)And he said, Cursed be Canaan; a servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren. (26)And he said, Blessed be the Lord God of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant.


    Peace!
     
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    Simple response: No

    Gen 6:10

    And Noah begat three sons, Shem, Ham, and Japheth.

    Chronology within the "Bible" is typically done in order from firstborn to last born

    Gen 9:25
    And he said, Cursed be Canaan; a servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren.

    Gen 9:27
    God shall enlarge Japheth, and he shall dwell in the tents of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant.

    Gen 10:6
    And the sons of Ham; Cush, and Mizraim, and Phut, and Canaan


    If Canaan was the only son to be cursed (the curse was to serve his father's younger brother, Japheth), where does the "All Africans" come from?

    Basically, Ham was demoted in order of "birthright" as he was the second born.
    a servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren.

    1st: Shem (birthright)
    2nd: Ham
    3rd: Japheth (Gen 9:25 refers to Japheth as the servant or youngest son, which Canaan would later serve)

    After "curse" (for what it's worth, to curse something is to remove its authority or power)

    1st: Shem (birthright)
    2nd: Japheth (was enlarged or promoted (Gen. 9:27))
    3rd: Ham (Canaan was made to serve Japheth, and not Ham, this was just eluding to the changing of ranks within the birthright)

    Cush, Mizraim and Phut would be considered the "Africans" in which you inquired about as well, but they did not get "cursed" by Noah to serve as such.

    Serve is a replacement word for "work for" or "help"

    Canaan was the youngest Ham's sons, so it was more likely that Japheth raised Canaan, where as the others we of age to do their own bidding.

    Some use this to think the "curse" was a future action to be levied when Canaan is born, which doesn't make sense to curse the 4th son (Gen 10:6) that has yet to be born.

    The "shall be his servant"(Gen. 9:27) was a commandment, more so than a prophecy.

    The curse again, was for Canaan to work for (serve) Japheth, I suppose this was a way to punish Ham by taking away one of his sons and placing him under Japheth.

    • OF COURSE, Moses later tries to remedy this some with a law that would do away with punishing the sons for their father's deeds and vise versa. (Deuteronomy 24:16)

    Upon Canaan was this "curse" placed, but somehow many tend to see his children serving Japheth and his children.

    Gen 10:15

    And Canaan begat Sidon his firstborn, and Heth

    Which of these, Sidon or Heth, does the "Bible" reveal were to "cursed" to serve like "Canaan" was?

    If it does not, then the question is far reaching and seemingly disregardful of the other "Africans" of Ham... Cush, Mizraim, and Phut.
     
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    If White Christians believe in the curse of Ham as meaning that all Africans are cursed and bound to be the slaves of Whites, what does it mean to you (a Black Christian) that White Christians believe that?
     
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    Correct you are Enki ...

    Its misread and pushed by white folk bro. Enki. Let me give you a direct link to this conversation. Even mega church pastor, Tony Evans, out of Dallas, is on record explaining why this occurred and the reasons behind this gross misrepresentation.

    Also, I cover this aspect, among many others, in depth in my book, "Does Color Matter?"


    "The Curse Of Ham"
    Discussion in 'Christian Study Group' started by cherryblossom, Aug 19, 2009

    http://destee.com/index.php?threads/the-curse-of-ham.57747/

    http://destee.com/index.php?threads/the-curse-of-ham.57747/#post-591866


    My job bro. Enki, is to correct the biblical wrongs perpetuated by white folk, hence the title of my book:

    "Does Color Matter? Only when misrepresented: The Bible depicts the Colors of man and Consequences of false Representation" ...

    Most people gloss right over this portion: Consequences of false Representation ...





     
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    It makes me feel sorrowful for them, they've been terribly mislead ...

     
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    To believe a white man's interpretation of the bible that curses our people for generations can't be healthy or productive. With this burden on the backs of many of our people, I am amazed that we have come as far as we have.

    I am slowly starting to let go of the bible for this very reason.
     
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