Black Christians : Christians Respond To Victoria Osteen's Claim: 'When We Obey God..We're Doing It For Ourself'

[butterfly#1]

dont do it for god but do it for yourself cuz that what makes god happy??? so then your still doin it for god to make him happy aint you??? not sure i understand what shes on about at all here

I totally agree Dreya. What you do for God is for you and vice-versa, what you do for yourself is also for God.. that is if you're living with God in you!

 

[I'm Becoming Me]

Yes. Yes. Yes.

I realized this was for study group and not random posting or my opinion.

I share many Christian views, but honestly don't like to debate my personal beliefs. This definitely is not the forum for that anyway and I apologise.

As long as there is no combative discourse leading to outrageous back and forth, you're good; but thanks for acknowledging the format ... As you can see, Sister Destee don't play

 

[I'm Becoming Me]

Well, alrighty then. Preach!

Btw, there's many legalistic Christians, many.

I'm not going to debate anymore here.

We may share some similarities spiritually, but for the most part we're on different pages of course.

All is well.

God Bless.

It's not about being legalistic but rather "rightly dividing the Word of Truth" and "not be a stumbling-block" for any others.

When teaching or preaching, one must be cognizant of one's words and how they can be perceived and RECEIVED so that the speaker hasn't confused or misled the hearer. .... Any church pastor, deacon, or other leaders can't just get up and say anything/any kinda way and expect to be understood because everybody in church is not on the same spiritual level.

Just as with a baby, the Bible speaks of "milk to meat." --- You can't just throw anything out there and expect/assume EVERYBODY to know what you meant/how you meant it.

Any church leader has a responsibility to LEAD responsibly, by word and deed.

 

[rapunzal24]

Yeah, I'm with you. The way she said it does come off hinky. She got the side-eye at first. lol --But, because she did say "OBEY GOD," the spirit of what she was saying redeems it a bit.

However, it was a kinda dangerous DELIVERY cuz some new believers or non-believers or wanna-be believers who are SEEKING may hear that wrong and go off on a tangent.

For some time the WWJD ran so rampant, it became trite.

The better question would be, "Would this/that PLEASE God??"

We are not to "lean unto our own understanding but should acknowledge Him in all our ways and He will direct our paths."

If God aint in it, then it aint RIGHT and He is not pleased/happy.

When we OBEY God, he will reward our faithfulness. So, yes, what makes God happy is also good/beneficial to us.

But, we are not to OBEY God just for whatever He can/will do for us, for what WE can get outta it but to be faithful and obedient because we seek to live according to HIS WILL, to love/honor/obey Him with our minds, souls and bodies ----Like, "Okay, God, I went to church all month, paid my tithes, gave to the poor, now what YOU gonna do FOR ME?!"

However, yes, we can go "boldly before His throne, standing on His promises, asking and believing by Faith."

Unfortunately, she didn't give further explanation to her statement and it rubbed some folks the wrong way.

You are absolutely right to an extent. God does give us an incentive though, why give so many promises if He wasn't trying to get our attention? I think the living according to His will comes to us at different times, and in different ways. It may start off one way, and end up another.

 

[Deacs]

You are absolutely right to an extent. God does give us an incentive though, why give so many promises if He wasn't trying to get our attention? I think the living according to His will comes to us at different times, and in different ways. It may start off one way, and end up another.

He gave you the will to gain all that was promised... but it's up to that person to be proactive in reaping the harvest.

It's why you are not supposed to live in accordance with the word... but literally be the word which was professed.

If a person merely lives in accordance with it in order to gain the benefits or rewards granted, it's hypocritical. You (not the personal you) are merely the mule seeking the carrot rather than the strap across the butt.