Black Christians : Christians Respond To Victoria Osteen's Claim: 'When We Obey God..We're Doing It For Ourself'

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  1. Clyde C Coger Jr

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    In the Spirit of the Bible,



    ... Another opportunity to study biblical principles, any thoughts Framily?



    Christians Respond To Victoria Osteen's Claim: 'When We Obey God..We're Doing It For Ourself'

    Lakewood Church co-pastor Victoria Osteen received backlash from the Christian community after video footage of an August sermon surfaced showing Osteen encouraging congregants to "do good for your own self."

    The pastor, who is married to televangelist Joel Osteen, told the congregation that the key to making God happy is first making oneself happy. Osteen said:


    Victoria Osteen 'Do Good for Your Own Self,' Not for God





    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/...ions_n_5759860.html?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592









     
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    dont do it for god but do it for yourself cuz that what makes god happy??? so then your still doin it for god to make him happy aint you??? not sure i understand what shes on about at all here
     
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    I think Christians really can sometimes be a bit to narrow minded and legalistic about nothing.

    There are things we do strictly with our own well-being in mind. I never went to use bathroom and thought, "Wow, I'm taking this dump for God..This one's for you Jesus"..

    Maybe I shouldn't answer that question because I'm no traditional anything really.
     
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    I was brought up to believe that the creator granted you the abilities to do whatever according to your will. Which means you go out and do the work to show your worth.
    You don't pray for a way to be made because it was there from the start, you simply apply yourself to get there.
     
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    Yes, it is somewhat circular, it seems ...





     
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    lol ... Your honesty is deafening I'm Becoming Me, and to a degree, there is nitpicking going on in this account.



     
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    I think that taught belief is true, if the Creator is foremost in our mind at the time we pursue what we call our will.

    It seems to me Matthew 6: 32-34 sort of addresses your over-arching statement of not having to pray, just do it.


    32 (For after all these things do the Gentiles seek) for your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things.

    33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.

    34 Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.
     
  8. I'm Becoming Me

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    It's really laughable and ridiculous, but not surprising. :lol:

    Total nitpicking. I mean, really. :hammer:

    Are there not more pressing issues going on in the world and our lives than the complete and utter slaying of someone's 'choice of words'..

    Gosh. Ghee. Goodness. Ugh. Sigh.

    They need to get that upset about the hungry and poor. Ya know, those who Jesus told them to take care of. Let me see anger about that and let it make national headlines. :eek ron:
     
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    Do it for your own self? Really? Oh boy. That sounds like atheist logic.

    All things in faith, not for yourself, but for our Father and His Son, then for your family and friends, and lastly for yourself, to be near to the Father.
     
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    O I also thought I'd point out that she said clearly, "When we OBEY God"..I don't see her saying anything inappropriate.

    I follow leading of Holy Spirit for my benefit too.

    What's so wrong about what she said..as if God needs our defense anyway. I see where she's coming from and makes sense to me.

    There's plenty folks don't agree on spiritually. Why is that so upsetting to people?... wow..
     
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