Black Spirituality Religion : Christians: Is this a BIBLE CONTRADICTION?

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  1. John Williams

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    Peace & Blessings to you,

    My Christian Brothers & Sisters, I wanted to ask you do these two Scriptures contradict each other? The first is Mark 4:11-12 and the second is 2 Peter 3:9. Mark 4:11-12 (KJV) reads:

    "(11)And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables: (12)That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them."

    2 Peter 3:9 (KJV) says:

    "The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance."

    The first Scripture says that God purposely sets it so that some people can not turn from their sins, and the second says that He wants all to come to repentance.

    So my beloved Sisters & Brothers, do these two Scriptures contradict each other?
     
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    Actually, you have taken these out of context. Please refer to the O.T. for your 1st example





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    No Sir, the context here changes nothing. Mark 4:11-12 says that God desires that some people stay lost ("speaks to them only in parables") and 2 Peter 3:9 says that God wants everybody saved. It's a plain contradiction, to me.

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    Yes it does. Because they scriptures referenced don't stand by themselves. Thus, your question is improper and wrong





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    Im sure now after Thomas Jefferson Separated from Christianity, White Supremacist know what these scriptures mean.

    Jesus Christ knew there was a bunch of fake 'White Jews' and there were going to be a bunch of fake Christians that stood in front of his face and in front of the crowd, and the poor original Jews and Israelites suppressed and tricked into shouting for Roman rule [White emperors to rule over them] and all the while they were being suppressed.

    He knew White people were going to fake that they were Christians and set up this American system and then separate. He had no plans to allow these White Supremacist to be deceptive continually, but they have been inticed, now they have dropped Christianity and have become drunk in American trade... and 'blasphemed the truth', caused millions of little Black African children to become forced onto a Slave ship in the name of Christianty, then separated from Christianity when technology boomed and attempted to genocide Black people again, and have the nerve to say Reparations is not due because their economy will be negatively affected, and yes, they have fallen prey to that very scripture that you have written. But now, since they have been allowed to push false statements about christianity that is not even in the Bible, they cannot reverse and convert back to the true definition of Christianity and be forgiven.

    When the truth as been blasphemed and when little children have been hurt by a government, then all who partake of this knowingly fall into that UNFORGIVE SIN. yeah, Jesus is awesome. He spoke the truth. He spoke in parables for a reason to get those White supremacist to reveal their true hatred against the original people...

    There is no way that the Creator God would want a child rapist or a blasphemer of truth that would deceive people into destroying their souls to be around him, but only those with true hearts would never delieberately try to destroy someone's innocence but a devil. Oh no, those scriptures are not contradicting at all. Jesus is right on it.

    ... Ya know, I think it's so funny that Thomas Jefferson and Adams died on the 4th of July...

    INDEPENDENCE DAY; the day the separated from Christianity [Church and State] and continued to keep their slaves...they died on that same day years later, within hours of each other...

    ...kind a like poetic justice...
     
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    Not at all. We are speaking of Mystery as compared to the commandments that are plain and are no mystery. We are here to study and improve our character through that which we discover, line upon line, precept upon precept. Otherwise there would be no use in our being born to mortality at all. No point in leaving the heavenly realms. No point in God drawing a vail so that we have to find our way without remembering Him. The situation here is that we learn to perceive-knowledge through our efforts to learn by study and experience, this is the only way to understand by having knowledge distilled, permeated in us to understand.

    Only those who study and are faithful can graduate to learn the mysteries of the kingdom of God. All are invited to do this. Those who are without because of this one thing only, they choose not to partake in finding God, so they remain without the walls of the Kingdom of God, having no interest.

    No one can cheat the education from God and skip the trials and tests that prove whether you are of worthy character to sit on a throne to preside and nurture from there as a king and queen. Those that are without have way lesser mansions with smaller sq. ft. to reside in. Your choice.

    There was a man I met that raised sheep dogs. He went to a competition. So when it came his time to prove his dogs for a ribbon by exhibiting their ability to move sheep into different gates of conditions, by a certain amount of best time to do it, he went straight to the end gate, he thought would make him winner of best time by passing up the trials. He, of corse, was disqualified and was sent "without". He just didn't get it. Where was his understanding of the event?

    The Lord wants all of us to win our blue ribbons and heavenly trophies. But, we can't pass up the trials that prove we know a good conscience free from the sins of passing up the education that brings us the understanding of what being a God is all about. Our Father wants us all to earn our thrones.
     
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    Well show & prove, my Brother. Anybody can make a claim about something. But I'd like to see you show and prove your claim.

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    That's not what Mark 4:11-12 says. It says that they are without because God doesn't want them to have the opportunity to convert and be forgiven of their sins. Then 2 Peter 3:9 says that God wants ALL to come to repentance.

    This is a plain contradiction.

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    I did





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    Let's use some easy text for the people with questions.

    Even those among the disciples of "Jesus" that were wanting to understand, had difficulty with the parables at times, so why not an "outsider"?

    Jesus explains his parable
    10 When they were alone, the people around Jesus, along with the Twelve, asked him about the parables. 11 He said to them, “The secret of God’s kingdom has been given to you, but to those who are outside everything comes in parables. 12 This is so that they can look and see but have no insight, and they can hear but not understand. Otherwise, they might turn their lives around and be forgiven.

    13 “Don’t you understand this parable? Then how will you understand all the parables?

    Used the "Common English Bible" to help out, because the KJV holds parables within parables that confuse the "outsiders" to no end.

    Jesus was not bothered to waste his efforts on sowing upon rocks (outsiders), as he was only sent for his "lost sheep".

    How does a Physicist explain the zero-point energy to one that has not studied any form of quantum physics?

    Through parables

    Just because an author thinks "God" wants something, doesn't mean it to be, but as for the context of "wants ALL to come to repentance"... does one comprehend what "repentance" means?

    Even still, 2 Peter 3:9:

    9 The Lord isn’t slow to keep his promise, as some think of slowness, but he is patient toward you, not wanting anyone to perish but all to change their hearts and lives.

    8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

    Posted this in reverse order to bring about the question, what was 3:9 referencing?

    In 3:8, the reference is the coming of the "Kingdom" and the longsuffering and duration it is seemingly taking to come.

    This duration leads back to 2 Peter 3:9 (he is patient toward you, not wanting anyone to perish but all to change their hearts and lives.)

    Precept upon precept takes time, outsiders without the faith are usually left accordingly:

    12 This is so that they can look and see but have no insight, and they can hear but not understand. Otherwise, they might turn their lives around and be forgiven.

    Otherwise (if this were not so, that they have no faith) they might turn their lives around and be forgiven.

    One cannot repent without first having "faith"

    And words are sown upon those with faith, and parables are comprehensible by those with it.

    13 “Don’t you understand this parable? Then how will you understand all the parables?
     
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