Black Spirituality Religion : "Christian", are you one?

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  1. dustyelbow

    dustyelbow Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    After reading many of the activities of "Christian" people in Africa and its effects whether visible but most of the time invisible I began to question the term "Christian". I have given thought about why do we continue to use this word to describe your faith with the following references I have found in the King James version of the Bible.

    Paul the Apostle and Scholar of the New Testament, who wrote most of the chapters of new testament did not describe himself as a "Christian".

    How many times in the New Testament is the word "Christian" used and by who is it used?

    a)

    From Act Chapter 11

    22: Then tidings of these things came unto the ears of the church which was in Jerusalem: and they sent forth Barnabas, that he should go as far as Antioch.

    23: Who, when he came, and had seen the grace of God, was glad, and exhorted them all, that with purpose of heart they would cleave unto the Lord.

    24: For he was a good man, and full of the Holy Ghost and of faith: and much people was added unto the Lord.

    25: Then departed Barnabas to Tarsus, for to seek Saul:

    26: And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.

    b) From Act Chapter 26

    23": That Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.

    "24": And as he thus spake for himself, Festus said with a loud voice, Paul, thou art beside thyself; much learning doth make thee mad.

    "25": But he said, I am not mad, most noble Festus; but speak forth the words of truth and soberness.

    "26": For the king knoweth of these things, before whom also I speak freely: for I am persuaded that none of these things are hidden from him; for this thing was not done in a corner.

    "27": King Agrippa, believest thou the prophets? I know that thou believest.

    "28": Then Agrippa said unto Paul, Almost thou persuadest me to be a Christian.

    Answer: 2


    Now in the context in both cases it was Gentiles that called the disciples and Paul Christian. It was not Jerusalem Hebrews or Jews who used that term. That means if I say your a "Christian" then I would be saying in effect that I am still a Gentile. A non believer of Christ Jesus. If you say "I am a Christian" then your saying in effect that you are still a Gentile.




    2)
    Anywhere written in King James version of the Bible, where does it read "worship Jesus"?


    Answer: no where

    3)
    Did Paul the Apostle and Scholar say anywhere to "worship Jesus". Is there any difference between serving and worshipping?


    Truly up for grabs, this is a personal decision.

    4)
    In reference to King James version, where does the word "mission" and "missionary" appear?


    Answer: no where

    Now my premise is with the first question and last question. This came from my continual research into Africa. When I hear people say

    "I am going to doing missionary work in Africa"

    or

    "He is on a mission in Africa"

    Nowhere in King James Version of the Bible does it mention "mission" or "missionary work" Now what is this "missionary" work you speak of? Please point it out to me in the King James Version of the Bible? Now spreading the gospel is a different matter.


    Next Christian. If anybody uses that word like "Christian Right" and "Christian Fundamental" or "I am a Christian" why did Paul the Scholar say he is was

    Philippians, chapter 3

    5": Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee;

    "6": Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.

    "7": But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ.

    "8": Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,

    "9": And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:


    Paul say he was a Pharisee, a stock of Israel, Hebrew of Hebrews, which he loss for the knowledge of Christ Jesus. No where does it say he is now a "Christian".

    Ever since Europeans used this word to describe themselves and their faith to the rest of the world, are they in effect telling me that they are still mere "Gentile". Check my question 1 for details.



    Now my last question is term "faith" the same as the term "worship"? King James Version.



    Truly up for grabs, this is a personal decision.
     
  2. Radical Faith

    Radical Faith Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    Being a Christian has less to do with with comes out of your mouth and more to with what comes out of your heart. When Christ dwells within men there is nothing that can be said or done that will change that.

    John 10:1-5

    1 "I tell you the truth, the man who does not enter the sheep pen by the gate, but climbs in by some other way, is a thief and a robber.

    2 The man who enters by the gate is the shepherd of his sheep.

    3 The watchman opens the gate for him, and the sheep listen to his voice. He calls his own sheep by name and leads them out.

    4 When he has brought out all his own, he goes on ahead of them, and his sheep follow him because they know his voice.

    5 But they will never follow a stranger; in fact, they will run away from him because they do not recognize a stranger's voice."

    Those who know Christ don't worry about who or what they are called. Jesus was called Beelzebub for casting out demons. His followers will be called worst. To Christians the only voice that matters is that of the Good Sheppard as seen in the scripture above....


    Peace..........
     
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    Christianity is simply another rebellious religion against the GOD of the Old Testament and it serves to be a religion for those that hate or reject GOD.
     
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    power & equality

    It will be interesting too see the responses from religious followers too what you have clearly pointed out here!
     
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    Well...

    "Christian" was a term of derision
    introduced by pagans to describe
    followers of Christ. It means "little Christ"...
    A person could be called worse.
     
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    They could be called much better as well. :fyi:
     
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    What translation of the Old Testament do you claim as your authority and who was it canonized by....?
     
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    That's your opinion...
    and not everyone does
    or has to agree with it....
    We all have to find our
    OWN spiritual path in this
    life and the life beyond.
    Your journey does not
    have to agree with mine,
    and mine certainly does not
    have to agree with yours...

    Much Peace ~
     
  9. solomon7

    solomon7 Banned MEMBER

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    WAKE UP!...

    We, as Blacks,have been "duped"!




    We, as Blacks,have been "duped"!

    If one wishes to be a Christian, that's fine but, as one of my blood
    brothers stated, at least know it's history and origin.

    We must remember that the religion of Christianity was first
    ingrained in our ancestors, while they were enslaved.


    IT HAS BEEN
    PASSED DOWN TO US! NO QUESTIONS ASKED!


    If, after carefully "studying" the religion of Christianity,you find
    it to be true, by all means, lay a hold to it! If you find it is not
    true, let it go.

    SEVERAL QUESTIONS:

    WHAT RELIGION DID JESUS(pbuh) TEACH? (hint, it was NOT Christianity)

    WHAT RELIGION IS TAUGHT IN THE OLD TESTAMENT?




    If you take one step towards Him, He runs 2 you!
     
  10. solomon7

    solomon7 Banned MEMBER

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    Now, I Am not wise enough to know exactly HOW it works.
    >
    > No matter what religion you follow, by praying to God, you will
    receive benefits.
    >
    > HOW I BELIEVE THINGS WORK
    >
    > I do not believe in a "mystery god". I do not believe that God
    grants some desires while saying "no" to others. What criteria would
    be used?
    >
    > I believe God has already set things up, kinda like "action and
    reaction". In that sense, I believe each individual is a "god". Not
    the "Supreme One", mind you.
    >
    > As far as different religions go...if you have actually studied a
    religion and find it to be true, by all means, I encourage you to
    take a hold of it!
    >
    > If it is proven to be false, I encourage you to, let it go.
    >
    > I believe I can "prove" Christianity, as it is practised in America
    is pre-extant Egyptian reliion.
    >
    > I wish to prove this. Now, feel free to, disprove whatever I poost.
    >
    > LET US SEE WHO'S FIRE IS THE HOTTEST!
    >
    >
    >
    > Your most sincere and loyal servant
    > suleiman = wise abdul = slave of
    > Rahman = The Benificent or The Doer of Good
    > so, the wise slave of, The Doer of Good
    > "Pluto sits out there, but still just a touch of the Sun moves
    her."
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >From: "Kellee" <[email protected]..>
    Date: Sun Mar 6, 2005 10:35 pm
    Subject: Re: how I believe it works...


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    I'd be willing to bet that most religious texts will support your
    theory.

    We, as spiritual beings, are indeed gods. We have the God-given power
    to create our own reality and manifest our desires. The things we
    experience are all for the greatest good of our own spiritual growth.
    When praying, you are sending your intentions/desires out. If what
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    it is. You do not verbally have to speak the words. You thoughts are
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    Spirit transcends religion.

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