Black People : Christ the Magician, archaeologists say

[Blackbird]

A new discovery. Take it for what is worth....

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26972493/from/ET/

By Jennifer Viegas

updated 7:23 a.m. PT, Wed., Oct. 1, 2008
A team of scientists led by renowned French marine archaeologist Franck Goddio recently announced that they have found a bowl, dating to between the late 2nd century B.C. and the early 1st century A.D., that is engraved with what they believe could be the world's first known reference to Christ.

If the word "Christ" refers to the Biblical Jesus Christ, as is speculated, then the discovery may provide evidence that Christianity and paganism at times intertwined in the ancient world.

The full engraving on the bowl reads, "DIA CHRSTOU O GOISTAIS," which has been interpreted by the excavation team to mean either, "by Christ the magician" or, "the magician by Christ."

 

[Clyde C Coger Jr]

In the Spirit of Sankofa!

A new discovery. Take it for what is worth....

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26972493/from/ET/

By Jennifer Viegas

updated 7:23 a.m. PT, Wed., Oct. 1, 2008
A team of scientists led by renowned French marine archaeologist Franck Goddio recently announced that they have found a bowl, dating to between the late 2nd century B.C. and the early 1st century A.D., that is engraved with what they believe could be the world's first known reference to Christ.

If the word "Christ" refers to the Biblical Jesus Christ, as is speculated, then the discovery may provide evidence that Christianity and paganism at times intertwined in the ancient world.

The full engraving on the bowl reads, "DIA CHRSTOU O GOISTAIS," which has been interpreted by the excavation team to mean either, "by Christ the magician" or, "the magician by Christ."

Blackbird,

Great find Blackbird, great find! However, magic in the Bible is nothing new to the student of the Word of God! When you can throw down a rod, and it turns into a snake(serpent), and you are Egyptian, thats magic. Trust me, there is so much that some don't know about the very book they love to hate, uuummm sort of reminds me of Barack Obama, what say you?

Clyde.................smoking!

 

[Blackbird]

Blackbird,

Great find Blackbird, great find! However, magic in the Bible is nothing new to the student of the Word of God! When you can throw down a rod, and it turns into a snake(serpent), and you are Egyptian, thats magic. Trust me, there is so much that some don't know about the very book they love to hate, uuummm sort of reminds me of Barack Obama, what say you?

Clyde.................smoking!

Brother Clyde,

I will state the Bible has a alot of magical or miraculous incidents and references to it. As a student of an old school and traditional rootworker, I came to find great value in some of the Biblical passages - although my interpretation and understanding of this book is far more radical than most people, even from those who "hate" the Bible.

In regards to the article referenced, it doesn't necessarily state that the Christ referred to is the Biblical Christ. Some people have speculated a connection, but it is possible that it could elude to a Gnostic Christ. Some people advance the notion that gnosticism existed before the time of formative Christianity as we know it.

I think any treatment of this may beg to ask the question did the appellation "Christ" exist before the one we know as Jesus? Was Christ possibly a term used in a pre-Christian/pre-Jesus environment? Some have said christ is some form of karast (whom origin I have no knowledge of) which is suppose to mean the "Black One." There are many questions to this discovery and the perpherial discussions that may evolve from it.

Anybody able to provide more of a context?

Blackbird

 

[tyab14]

Peace bro Blackbird,

I don't know much about this subject but I found these quotes interesting

"The magus might then have used the engraving on the bowl to legitimize his supernatural powers by invoking the name of Christ, the scientists theorize."

"He and his colleagues found the object during an excavation of the underwater ruins of Alexandria's ancient great harbor."

or, "the magician by Christ."

This reminds me of some works I looked at where it talked about Gnosticism (like you said) or Christianity before Christ. Perhaps if the correct interepretation is "magician by Christ" it could refer to a sect (Gnostics) operating under a Christ figure or principle like Osiris or something.

Invoking the name of Christ sounds magickal to me, lol.

When you talk about the name karast it reminds me when I learned that Krishna meant the black one, any connection? Maybe an elevated historical figure once again or just a concept? Thats an interesting find though, especially in old Alexandria which from what I remember was heavy Gnostic territory.

What you think Blackbird?

 

[Writspirit]

Christ the Magician

:flame:The word "Christ" was a title not a name. And it is said that Jesus Ben Joseph, which I understand by some, was his last name, was purported to have studied in the Egyptian schools of mystery. Now some say, the name Jesus was quite a common name of that era. Other historians say Jesus was a myth and never a real man but represented a symbol since there were about 13 other avatars born of a virgin, performing miracles, born on December 25th, crucified and reborn, including Horas, the SUN (son) of Isis, from whom the earliest recording of this Christ like being was originated.:flame: