Discussion in 'Black Education / Schools' started by skuderjaymes, Nov 21, 2011.
De Gruy notices a legend stating: "non-volunatry immigrants"
..Hmmm, now just who might that be???
"Can they not just say the word slaves?"
Those clips would fit well in the thread I created regarding eurocentered-history.
also check out the Ivan Van Sertima lecture on Google video.. that entire lecture is basically a criticism of Eurocentric renditions of history.. http://www.destee.com/index.php?posts/714861/
Yes indeed. I was taught this in the early 90's by none other than the great Gil Noble at an Afrikan family day here in NY. I was blown away by that knowledge and it was one of the sparks that set me in motion....
I didn't get a chance to watch the video posted here yet, but brother Gil said the original statue was of a black woman and it was a gift from France sent over in appreciation for the U.S. banning slavery. The woman had a broad nose and thick lips and half of the chains were in here hand and the rest had fallen to her feet and america sent it back to France and it is still there. What the French Masons did was make another statue and had that sent over years later as a gift to the masons here and that's how NY ended up with this "hoe in the harbor", as we call her.
She is holding the masonic bible in her left hand and the torch which is a symbol of illumination in her right.
Here's the one in Paris...
In the 2/4 clip (6:50 mark), dr. de gruy talked about how being poor is misconstrued as some moral/spiritual
deficiency. An 'It's gotta be your fault', held notion. Not to mention the guilt associated with this demonization. And how that attitude derives from something that originated in europe called "the elizabethan law" (poor law).
There's a good book that addresses this law called "regulating the poor". After reading the book, I got to thinking about capitalism and a particular aspect of it which suggest that in order for there to be a wealthy individual and or entity, a whole lot of folk have to be unemployed. Or at least a perpetual state of un/underemployment. Right or wrong, that's just the way it is in a capitalist society. The wealthy elites understand this dynamic yet why many of them share a similar view, if not the same as presidential candidate cain, "it's your fault if your poor", they understand that in order to keep the 'natives' (have-nots) from getting 'restless' it is in their interest that there be some sort of social programs to, if nothing else, deter the kinds of revolts that comes out of desperation. Poor folks outnumber wealthy folks disproportionately. And from another stand point, this is one of the reasons why the bufferclass (middleclass: though there is strong evidence that this class is eroding nowadays), was created.
Yes. As I recall,
In the documentary "hidden colors" they give the details and show drawings of this statue being a black woman.
Yes, it is even spoken of in the movie 'National Treasure' when they speak of the French guy who thought up the idea while they were looking for clues to find the 'treasure' and his name was Edourd de Laboulaye, a french historian.
They can't deny the original because the idiots still left a piece of a broken chain by the 'hoe's' right foot which they later tried to cover up with additional paint.
The original was also posted in the NY post newspaper on June 17, 1986 if anyone wants to verify the story.
After Abraham Lincoln was elected president of the United States in 1861, the French liberals and abolitionists including Hugo, Bartholdi, and DeLaboulaye urged Lincoln to free the slaves even if civil war resulted. Lincoln was told: “You would become the first country in history to have fought a war against itself to free the internal slave and you would go down in history as a truly great country and a beacon of light to all freedom loving people.” The French abolitionists saw the Emancipation Proclamation of 1863 as a worthless piece of paper since it only freed slaves in the Confederate controlled states where Lincoln had no jurisdiction and not in Union controlled states where Lincoln was still in authority. When the war ended in 1865, French abolitionists were extremely happy and in addition to again urging Lincoln to free all slaves, DeLaboulaye and Bartholdi requested permission to build and dedicate a monument or colossal statuary to that freeing of all slaves in America. When Abraham Lincoln was assassinated, DeLaboulaye again headed the abolitionists’ committee that presented a gold metal to Mrs. Lincoln, just as he had done for the widow of John Brown.
In addition to a staunch abolitionist, Frederic Auguste Bartholdi (1834-1904) was an outstanding French sculptor. Bartholdi trained to be an architect in Alsace and Paris and then studied painting with Ary Scheffer and sculpture with J.F. Soitoux. Bartholdi’s life and ideas changed dramatically after 1855 when he toured Egypt and witnessed the magnificent colossal monuments and statues created by the ancient Black Egyptians. Bartholdi’s creation of a giant Black ex-slave female with broken chairs at her feet and left hand was readily accepted in France. Although liberals, freemasons, and businessmen with American interests were the most enthusiastic supporters of the project, by 1881 some 100,000 people and 181 towns throughout France had contributed money.
In 1871, Frederic Bartholdi at the urging of DeLaboulaye undertook a voyage to America to sale his idea of a colossal statue clearly symbolizing the end of chattel slavery in the United States. He was armed with a large terracotta statue and numerous drawings to clearly illustrate his proposed Statue of Liberty. The original African face of the Statue of Liberty was published in The New York Post dated June 17, 1986 as part of the centennial celebration. Bartholdi found little American support for his African slave model. In 1878, as the African head of Miss Liberty first went on display at the Universal Exposition in Paris, France, rampant reaction raged throughout the American South.
Bartholdi finally had to abandon his original ideas and changed the Statue of Liberty to the features we are now familiar with. The African face was re-sculptured into the face of his mother Madame Bartholdi. A tablet of law tucked into her folded arm that bears the date July 4, 1776, replaced the broken chains in the slave’s left hand. Ironically, the chains were left at the feet but the meaning changed from broken American slavery to broken English tyranny.
On May 18, 1986 during the centennial celebration, The New York Times joined The New York Post in describing the original Statue of Liberty and the intention of DeLaboulaye and Bartholdi in presenting this statue to America. It’s unconscionable that the Encyclopedia Britannica and the official Statue of Liberty literature can still lie and say that this is a monument celebrating American Independence of 1776 and/or the Franco-American alliance of 1778. Dr. Jack Felder sums it up clearly: “Once in place, Miss Liberty received a new meaning. She was hailed as the ‘Mother of White Exiles,’ greeting European immigrants seeking freedom in America. Nothing in the original conceptions of Bartholdi or DeLaboulaye envisioned this role for their stature.”
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