Black Spirituality Religion : Catholic and protestant debates "justification"

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  1. RAPTOR

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    Perhaps it is rare that one sees or hear catholics and protestant debate their points of view on, anything quite frankly.

     
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    "bump"
     
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    It is quite rare, that anyone would be unaware of the reformation, and bloody revolution against Catholicism by Martin Luther.

    Foks got tired of all the rituals and all the statues and all the shrines, and burning this and lighting that and beaded neckalaces and what not ,
    and all the money for this and money
    for this and you gotta do this
    gesture and that gesture
     
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    When I first saw this, I thought of 2 cigarettes debating. One regular, one menthol. Both cause cancer, yet they debate on their "goodness". The regular cigarette says "I'm real", the menthol one says "I bring flavor to your death". They are one and the same, yet they are too programmed to see that they are programmed, debating on who can look the craziest.
     
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    The white supremist says that when he looks at young Black gang bangers and young Black college students
     
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    Here is one religion where a person ;

    may or may not have the text of that religion in their home, may read it now and then or rarely

    may or may not have an image of the martyr or deity in their home

    may pray when they are in trouble, or in need and sometimes that's all

    may go to a house of worship only on holidays

    Here is another older sect of that religion where a person;
    Must memorize intricate prayers

    Must go through an communion ceremony
    at a cost

    Must wear certain clothing during that period
    at a cost
    Must wear certain symbolic jewelry or necklaces
    at a cost
    Must have shrine in their home
    at a cost
    That must be maintained

    Must pray at certain times and before certain things

    Must perform certain rituals on a regular basis

    Must avoid certain colors, or aromas or incense

    Must perform certain gestures at daily functions of life
     
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    What Does it Mean to be Justified? A Brief Exposition of Romans 3.21-26, Part 2


    Study By: Daniel B. Wallace


    Rom. 3.24—“being freely justified by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus.”

    ....What does it mean to be justified? Roman Catholics and Protestants are divided over this issue. Catholicism generally regards justification to mean imparted righteousness while Protestants generally take it to mean imputed righteousness. The difference is important: if imparted, then God makes us righteous. If imputed, then God declares us to be righteous. If imparted, then there is no assurance of salvation since God does not make us righteous immediately. If imputed, there is indeed assurance of salvation since the legal declaration of our righteousness is the divine statement about our status, not about our practice....

    ...http://bible.org/article/what-does-it-mean-be-justified-brief-exposition-romans-321-26-part-2
     
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    What is Justification




    Justification is the declared purpose of God to regard and treat those sinners who believe in Jesus Christ as if they had not sinned, on the ground of the merits of the Savior. It is not mere pardon. Pardon is a free forgiveness of past offenses. It has reference to those sins as forgiven and blotted out.

    Justification has respect to the law, and to God’s future dealings with the sinner. It is an act by which God determines to treat him hereafter as righteous—as if he had not sinned. The basis for this is the merit of the Lord Jesus Christ, merit that we can plead as if it were our own. He has taken our place and died in our stead; He has met the descending stroke of justice, which would have fallen on our own heads if He had not interposed. - Albert Barnes
     
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    Verses showing justification by faith.
    by Matt Slick

    Justification is the legal act where God declares the sinner to be innocent of his or her sins. It is not that the sinner is now sinless, but that he is "declared" sinless. This declaration of righteousness is being justified before God. This justification is based on the shed blood of Jesus, "...having now been justified by His blood..." (Rom. 5:9) where Jesus was crucified, died, was buried, and rose again (1 Cor. 15:1-4). God imputed (reckoned to our account) the righteousness of Christ at the same time our sins were imputed to Christ when he was on the cross. That is why it says in 1 Pet. 2:24, "and He Himself bore our sins in His body on the cross, that we might die to sin and live to righteousness; for by His wounds you were healed." Also, 2 Cor. 5:21 says, "He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him." Additionally, we are justified by faith (Rom. 5:1) apart from works of the Law (Rom. 3:28).
    To be saved means that God has delivered us (saved us) from His righteous wrathful judgment due us because of our sins against Him. It means that we will not be judged for our sins and be therefore sentenced to eternal damnation. To be saved means that we are justified before God....continued....http://carm.org/verses-showing-justification-by-faith
     
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    Listening to this, it really touches on other Catholic-v-Protestant and even Judaism-v-Christianity beliefs/doctrines such as "works versus faith"/James and Paul/imputed sin/inherited sin.

    Actually, one can't really discuss the subject of "Justification" without also including these others.
     
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