Ok...Ok... I'm trying to get with this.
Peace zuleilah2,
Let be a little clearer about Liberia. I agree it was designed to work on an exploitive level or for the deceptive motives that you implied. But you can’t believe that whites wanted Liberia to be a truly independent, progressive and successful enterprise. The idea that Blacks can be free and prosper, like other white expatriates in other colonies in Africa was out of the question. What Americo-Liberians did should be studied on its on merit and the question should be asked what was the political, ethical, and cultural socialization of these emigrants and what were their motives? Where these people being manipulated or did they represent the mores and ethics of African Americans as a whole?
To try to drive my opinion home, Lets look at, one writers opinion about the hopes of Paul Cuffee, who was one of the fathers of the African repatriation movement and was the inspiration of a idea that went wrong.
“Cuffee … envisioned a black trade network organized by Westernized blacks who would return to Africa to develop its resources while educating its people in the skills they had gained during captivity.”
Using Paul Cuffee’s vision as a philosophical guide, I don’t think that whites wanted the Liberian repatriation to succeed.
As far as your response to this statement, “African Americans sense of self-realization or ideas about Africa reflects more than the emotions, the biases or phobias of a few xenophobic Africans, wherever they are.”
Here again lets get more clarity, self-realization has nothing to do with going to Africa. Secondly, I was trying to tell you that our ideas about Africa are not just depended on negativities or emotional feelings or romanticisms. All I said was “ideas”. Africans from the continent have different ideas about America, some are superficial and some are more realistic. There are continental Africans who have naive ideas about Africa, as there are African Americans who are naïve about the politics and policies of America, basically a country they have lived in all their lives. I think it is good, if we don’t think the worst about Africa, regardless of what we see on the evening news. And is it bad to have positive ideas about Africa?? Read my statement a little differently and don’t read anything into it.
Hell, I got ideas about George Bush and I have never met him.
Now why African Americans go to Africa with all kind of romantic political ideas about the continent is a mystery to me. I have been disillusioned about my own people at times, but I also embrace and celebrate the fact that I am African American.
I accept all that I am, the exceptional, the good and the bad.
There are Continental Africans who see only images on TV or are only exposed to a limited portion of African American culture.
I believe, If you go to a place, you have to take something with you, to receive something in return.
As I told you, I am not looking for anything from any particular Africans, “IF” they have nothing to give.
Africans come to this forum all the time, and sometimes, they are very adversarial and antagonist and sometimes they are not. Some start fights, that didn’t exist. I just have learned to ignore this foolishness.
Look, I grew up fighting Black people and watching Black people struggle against each other all my life, I’m sure not going to go a couple of thousand miles to fight some more, black folks.
I think your question is really about Africans hating each other, regardless of where they are or where they come from, but I’m not trying to change your intent.
Why don’t you express some of the things that you feel?
So we can put your ideas in context, were you born in the continent or are you African American or African-Latino, etc.? And if you are male or female may help, but that’s your personal business. But the former ethnic information will probably help me with some of your expressed ideas.
Peace,
Brother Sun Ship
Peace zuleilah2,
Let be a little clearer about Liberia. I agree it was designed to work on an exploitive level or for the deceptive motives that you implied. But you can’t believe that whites wanted Liberia to be a truly independent, progressive and successful enterprise. The idea that Blacks can be free and prosper, like other white expatriates in other colonies in Africa was out of the question. What Americo-Liberians did should be studied on its on merit and the question should be asked what was the political, ethical, and cultural socialization of these emigrants and what were their motives? Where these people being manipulated or did they represent the mores and ethics of African Americans as a whole?
To try to drive my opinion home, Lets look at, one writers opinion about the hopes of Paul Cuffee, who was one of the fathers of the African repatriation movement and was the inspiration of a idea that went wrong.
“Cuffee … envisioned a black trade network organized by Westernized blacks who would return to Africa to develop its resources while educating its people in the skills they had gained during captivity.”
Using Paul Cuffee’s vision as a philosophical guide, I don’t think that whites wanted the Liberian repatriation to succeed.
As far as your response to this statement, “African Americans sense of self-realization or ideas about Africa reflects more than the emotions, the biases or phobias of a few xenophobic Africans, wherever they are.”
Here again lets get more clarity, self-realization has nothing to do with going to Africa. Secondly, I was trying to tell you that our ideas about Africa are not just depended on negativities or emotional feelings or romanticisms. All I said was “ideas”. Africans from the continent have different ideas about America, some are superficial and some are more realistic. There are continental Africans who have naive ideas about Africa, as there are African Americans who are naïve about the politics and policies of America, basically a country they have lived in all their lives. I think it is good, if we don’t think the worst about Africa, regardless of what we see on the evening news. And is it bad to have positive ideas about Africa?? Read my statement a little differently and don’t read anything into it.
Hell, I got ideas about George Bush and I have never met him.
Now why African Americans go to Africa with all kind of romantic political ideas about the continent is a mystery to me. I have been disillusioned about my own people at times, but I also embrace and celebrate the fact that I am African American.
I accept all that I am, the exceptional, the good and the bad.
There are Continental Africans who see only images on TV or are only exposed to a limited portion of African American culture.
I believe, If you go to a place, you have to take something with you, to receive something in return.
As I told you, I am not looking for anything from any particular Africans, “IF” they have nothing to give.
Africans come to this forum all the time, and sometimes, they are very adversarial and antagonist and sometimes they are not. Some start fights, that didn’t exist. I just have learned to ignore this foolishness.
Look, I grew up fighting Black people and watching Black people struggle against each other all my life, I’m sure not going to go a couple of thousand miles to fight some more, black folks.
I think your question is really about Africans hating each other, regardless of where they are or where they come from, but I’m not trying to change your intent.
Why don’t you express some of the things that you feel?
So we can put your ideas in context, were you born in the continent or are you African American or African-Latino, etc.? And if you are male or female may help, but that’s your personal business. But the former ethnic information will probably help me with some of your expressed ideas.
Peace,
Brother Sun Ship