Black Spirituality Religion : Can You Get To Heaven Without $$ Tithing?

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  1. Destee

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    Hello Everyone,

    Just wondering ... can a person get to "heaven" if they don't pay tithes ... or whatever is synonymous in your faith ... ?

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    Thanks for responding Kemetstry. I was speaking specifically regarding financial contributions to a church/pastor.

    Can a person get to heaven without giving a portion (10%) of their earnings to a church/pastor?

    For the sake of this discussion, we'll assume they are "tithing" in all other areas.

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    good subject

    this issue is one of many dividing walls in the church.
    but paying tithes is most definitely not a determinant of divine destiny.
    it's not critical since the church isn't told specifically/directly to tithe in the new testament.

    however i've come to expect many deeply religious people to think of not paying tithes as a block to the pearly gate's entrance, but that's their shallow and brainwashed conditioning.

    Destee, how do you define heaven??
     
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    J'hiah ... thanks for joining in on this. My definition of heaven, in regard to this thread, is the place we go after death. Our reward, so to speak, for living a life worthy of being counted pleasing in His eyes. The opposite of hell. :D

    If tithing is not necessary for the admission to heaven, why is it so often the topic of many a Sunday sermon? One would think that the things necessary for admission would be more the focus.

    Hmmmm ...
     
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    Kemetstry ... I understand that and appreciate you sharing it. But the focus seems to overwhelmingly be about cash, financial contributions.

    In general, do you think the same amount of effort, energy and/or teaching is done regarding missionary work ... as is put toward encouraging the believers to give money?

    Maybe it's just me.

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    you're right Destee tithing is the church's hot topic (disregarding other more serious matters of life), but ask any of them where Jesus specifically tells the church to tithe. He doesn't.

    and God does not say that he would barr one from heaven for not tithing.
    how sick is the church doctrine becoming.
     
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    U CAN GET TO HEAVEN BY FAITH AND TRUST IN HE
    U CAN PAY TITHE TO YA CHURCH HOME BUT BY GOD
    AND DOING HIS WILL SURELY WILL ACCEPT U WITHIN
    DA KINGDOM ............
     
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    wow ... thank yall for participating in this discussion with me.

    What do you think should be the focus of the church ... the topic that should replace "giving your money to the church?" ... the one(s) that are most important?

    I think lying and stealing. I think they both speak to the core of a person, requiring them to be true and honest with themselves ... so they can then be true and honest to God and others. Honesty is also the foundation on which most all other things stand, if they are done properly. But of course, I aint no preacher ... so don't mind me. :)

    :heart:

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    tithing is an act of discipline not a means to getting into heaven. Tithing also involves more than just money but 10% of everything. It is a means to support the church in which you worship. In the Old Testament, the parishoners of such synagogues would bring 1/10th of their grain and wheat to the storehouse which was the place where the priest lived. This was for emergencies as well as helping in sustaining the worko fht echurch. One thing we must be careful of. Tithes are not paid to a pastor but the to continuing work of the church. Also if anyone wanted to pay tithes anf offerings then they must understand that tithed is the 1/10 that constitues discipline whereas offerings is anything obove and beyond tithes, which makes it going above and beyond. Example: If you make $300 a week before taexs and give $40 in the offering plate, then $30 is tithes and $10 is offering.

    Hey J'hiah, actually Jesus speaks highly of tithing. As he addresses the Pahrisees he reminds them how they are only tithing in certain areas of their life. His response to them was simply telling them that why tithe in some areas and not all areas. Now He is not directly telling them to tithe only money but He is telling them to tithe in all areas of our lives...

    Just making clear that Jesus did speak of tithing but not in the formal manner which many would like to use it to abuse the congregation into paying money. Tithing is a discipline and one should not be guilted into it. Jesus was making clear to the Pharrisees that they were so strict and critical of everyone else and yet they could not see that they too are not perfect.
     
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    Thanks Dnommo for joining in :)

    I'm going to take these words from your biblical quote:

    ... and have omitted the weightier matters of the law: judgment, mercy, and faith ...

    which seems to provide evidence that all tithing is not counted the same. Yet, at most every single gathering of believers (and non believers) ... the opportunity to give money is provided by those who are leading the service. As though it is the "weightier matter."

    It seems to be just a fact of "church life," one that is not going to change or be questioned to any great degree, at least, not by those who are doing the giving. To question "giving" to your church, could almost appear blasphemous (I think). When folk live by faith, it makes it easier for those providing the "spiritual food" to take advantage of them.

    I kinda smiled Dnommo when I read your "$300 a week before taxes" ... do I tithe on the before or after taxes amount ... I remember "discussing that with God" ... :)

    Another issue, that money brings into the church is "who gave the most this week or this month or on the building fund." Those folk are usually lifted up and above the rest of the congregation ... usually appointed to positions of leadership ... as though one can "buy" their spot in heaven. Woe unto the poor folk.

    :heart:

    Destee
     
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