African American History Culture : Can someone explain to me why the Greeks are considered the foundation of Western Civilization

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  1. Djedefre

    Djedefre Active Member MEMBER

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    I've never understood the argument.
    Usually coming from white people, the argument goes something like Thales, Plato, Socrates, Aristotle, Euclid, and Pythagoras were ancient Greek philosophers who seperated the superstitous from the rational and formed the foundation for rational Western (European) thought that would go on to influence the Renaissance Europe and enlightenment.

    The part I've never understood is that since Thales, Plato, Socrates, Aristotle, Euclid, and Pythagoras all studied in Egypt for over a decade each at the Temple of Waset and Temple at Karnak (Ipet Isup), and were all taught for over a decade under the Kemetic Mystery System which already recognized the rational thought along side of the supernatural, and that the Greeks had merely translate the KMT works. Would not that make the foundation of Western Civilization Africans not Greeks, since they were teaching the Greeks how to become civilized?

    Especially given the fact that Greeks are falsely credited with Egyptian achievements ie Pythagorean's theory and Socrates "Know they self".

    I also find it in hindsight awfully strange that my philosophy and math teachers all skipped over the fact that these men studied in Egypt and got their theories from there.

    What is even more complexing to me is that it was actually Ibn Rushd (a black moorish born Spaniard), not the ancients who shifted medieval Europe from the supernatural and superstitious to the rational strictly and set the foundations for modern europe. It was his works in Iberia that the English and French would come down to Spain to copy and take back to Europe to set up their universities like Oxford.

    So are academics and white society going to just keep pretending this is true?
     
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    As you well know, its hard to make any sense out of Euro-centrism, it never has nor ever will be, logical.


     
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    [QUOTE="Djedefre, post: 976933, member: 57574" I've never understood the argument.

    Usually coming from white people, the argument goes something like Thales, Plato, Socrates, Aristotle, Euclid, and Pythagoras were ancient Greek philosophers who seperated the superstitous from the rational and formed the foundation for rational Western (European) thought that would go on to influence the Renaissance Europe and enlightenment.

    The part I've never understood is that since Thales, Plato, Socrates, Aristotle, Euclid, and Pythagoras all studied in Egypt for over a decade each at the Temple of Waset and Temple at Karnak (Ipet Isup), and were all taught for over a decade under the Kemetic Mystery System which already recognized the rational thought along side of the supernatural, and that the Greeks had merely translate the KMT works.

    Would not that make the foundation of Western Civilization Africans not Greeks, since they were teaching the Greeks how to become civilized?

    Especially given the fact that Greeks are falsely credited with Egyptian achievements ie Pythagorean's theory and Socrates "Know they self".

    I also find it in hindsight awfully strange that my philosophy and math teachers all skipped over the fact that these men studied in Egypt and got their theories from there.

    What is even more complexing to me is that it was actually Ibn Rushd (a black moorish born Spaniard), not the ancients who shifted medieval Europe from the supernatural and superstitious to the rational strictly and set the foundations for modern europe.

    It was his works in Iberia that the English and French would come down to Spain to copy and take back to Europe to set up their universities like Oxford.

    So are academics and white society going to just keep pretending this is true? /QUOTE]

    Djedefre, why would the Europeans generally, their intelligentsia specifically, EVER admit to and publicise the so very easily verifiable historical fact that Socrates, Plato etc all the Greek luminaries still lauded as the greatest THINKERS, either studied in Nubia/Khemet/Egypt [Pythagoras did for 21 years, yet still considered himself a BOY in comparison to his African tutors and mentors] or were taught by a Greek who had?

    Wasn’t an integral part of the ongoing African HOLOCAUST [that enslaved our ancestors and their siblings who were tortured, mutilated and murdered for either not submitting/being BROKEN or to traumatize the rest of us into total subservience] the very very forced removal of our name, language, culture and TRUE history thus literally removing the foundation for us to rationally nurture any REAL self esteem, which has damaged all of US hasn’t it [isn’t the only variable the severity of the damage and how it manifests] ?

    Wouldn't you agree that the TRUTH is that we peoples of African ethnicity in the UK, USA, the rest of the Diaspora and Africa are all frontline soldiers in a War that has NEVER EVER been openly declared then [from 3000 BCE] or now by THESE so despicably cowardly Semitic/White PARASITES, just very very efficiently waged/they JUST DO IT?

    Nubia/Khemet/Egypt’s African Pharaohs battled and resisted the Semitic/Arab hordes for millennia but from the moment Alexander the Macedonian peasant overran Khemet we've been losing this so despicably cowardly but still undeclared WAR on Africa/Africans; with the situation becoming a rout when Augustus [Julius Caesar's nephew, heir and history's most maliciously EVIL/DESTRUCTIVE cultural vandal] deliberately destroyed [Khufu’s facial attributes on the Sphinx] Khemet's most spectacular Pyramid at Abu Rawash, which you've never heard of, have YOU?

    This so deliberate piece of cultural vandalism was done to DELETE DJEDEFRAH from history as this African Pharaoh is now acknowledged as the builder of the Sphinx which honours his father Khufu [who built the Great Pyramid at Giza]; and as exemplified by the murderous carnage in Darfur and the Congo and other resource rich regions of Africa TODAY and the inane stupidity of the way those CLOWNS/TRAITORS Goodluck, Zuma and co allowed/ sanctioned Africa’s greatest EVER Arab benefactor [Muamar Gaddafi who did more for Africa than any African leader that I can name/what about you] and his regime to be slaughtered by NATO in 2011, we're still in BIG trouble/losing this WAR, aren't WE?

    Wishing this WAR away hasn't worked for the African collective in the USA, the rest of the Diaspora and Africa for the last 500 years because Slavery and Colonialism didn't so much end as evolve into the current reality of White/European socio-economic domination in every area of human activity so why are WE expecting the chaos in our communities and countries to improve in the near future?

    Can you NOW relate to why ALL the peoples of African ethnicity in general, in the USA and the rest of the Diaspora along with the Africans in Nigeria, South Africa and the rest of Africa in particular NEED the so uplifting TRUTHS of an African centred History Curriculum, and would you be prepared to enlist and encourage your family, friends and associates to do whatever they can to help to project and promote this agenda?

    As both our individual and collective worldview is created by the historical facts/perspective that we are taught, isn’t our own truthfully updated African History curriculum at the core of resurrecting both the individual and collective self esteem necessary to kick start the African Renaissance in the 21st century, by providing our people in general, our youth specifically with a strong foundation with regard to our capabilities in every area of human activity, TODAY?

    When WE don't educate/rationally program ANY/ALL of our people to consciously acknowledge our African ethnicity [as opposed to alleged Blackness/how BLACK is Halle or Barack] as a blessing as opposed to a curse; aren't we extremely unlikely to even begin to fulfil our main responsibility; to deduce and construct the socio-economic vehicles that will initially adequately secure our communities and countries, creating the possibility of us eventually collectively advancing and competing with the rest of Humanity in the 21st century?

    SHOULDN'T ALL OF OUR SCHOOLS in general, especially the traditionally Black Schools in the UK, USA the rest of the Diaspora and Africa in particular be teaching our own truthfully updated History Curriculum highlighting our so diverse but efficiently marginalized or totally ignored contributions to Civilization in every area of human activity over the last 5000 years; thus reprogramming the minds of the people of African ethnicity with our TRUE history [as unearthed by our own historians] as a truly superlative therapy for the residual trauma of the ongoing AFRICAN HOLOCAUST, for which both an apology and reparations are STILL missing TODAY, aren't THEY?

    Would you concur that there is a mountain of useful information that we peoples of African ethnicity in general, our would be leaders and leaders specifically need to ingest and digest if we’re going to even begin to deduce how to constructively develop ourselves and our communities in order to kick start the African Renaissance in the 21st century?

    Even more bizarre is our ongoing acceptance as people of African ethnicity of the current status quo or are you all truly unaware of the fact that ALL over the World including Africa, Europeans still LEGALLY own allegedly; all the land and resources they acquired during the looting, pillaging, RAPE of this planet in general, of OUR continent [Africa] in particular that Colonialism and Apartheid sanctioned as the norm [in fact aren’t THEY making the same play again with their WAR ON TERROR] as opposed to the longest list of unacknowledged unpunished Human Rights violations/CRIMES in human history?


    Isn’t ANYONE who genuinely believes they are not programmed
    graphically illustrating that their programming is COMPLETE?
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    :11100: that explains it....
     
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    Al D We become that which we repeatedly do.. PREMIUM MEMBER

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    This has to be a rhetorical question because I'm pretty sure you know the answer to that one..Whether they want to ( and the key word here is pretend) it is true or not, really doesn't matter if in your mind you know differently..As long as they dominate most of the world and continue to write and re-write history, they will write it in a manner that benefits them..It will be up to others to challenge the accuracy and authenticity of these writings and teachings..We must always be mindful of the source!!All of what is written can be challenged even as far back as the Sumerians and a great deal of history is subject to scrutiny and questions.. All of what we think we know, we do not know and therein is the mystery....Whatever the writings, the teachings, their source,they are all predicated on influencing perceptions and perspectives in some way or another for whatever reasons..The real question I feel is; how will we perceive that information? Good Post!!!
     
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    Brother Clyde, you are absolutely correct. Logic is the psychology of reasoning that has been absent in the thought process of many folks throughout our known history...Especially in today's society...But you know the human psyche, what may be one person's logic may be another person's absurdity and vice versa..
     
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    You are Right and Exact, its basic logic that saves the day however, a thing that separates truth from falsehood, which we should come to appreciate more, and apply such reasoning in our thought processes ...


    1. Some Basic Concepts of Logic
    Argument

    An argument is one or more statements, called premises, offered as a reason to believe that a further statement, called the conclusion, is true, that is, corresponds to reality.
    http://www.manyworldsoflogic.com/basicconcepts.html
    The Many Worlds of Logic - What is Logic: Major Branches of Logical Theory: Categorical Logic
    manyworldsoflogic.com

    ...

     
  8. Al D

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    Most definitely...
     
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    "They" are re-writing history now, as we speak, using their "fake news" as the tool to create new lies and spread old ones. Stuff that is real, they will claim it's imagined or never happened. Same ole practice, right? But now, they have to ramp up their lies due to people who they call "whistle blowers" tooting their horns to uncover the dirty lies and expose these people to the masses. For me, it's not so much now what we think about it, it's more of what are we doing about it. I'm trusting my gut instinct because I've been taught and will always believe, that which is within us will never lie to us.
     
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    And they try to deny they re-write history but their fake news and they do it infront of our faces today.
     
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