Black People Politics : Can Obama End the Wars?

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  1. river

    river Watch Her Flow MEMBER

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    According to a translation of his most recent taped message to the United States. bin Laden said Obama is too powerless and the Israel lobby and corporate interests too powerful for the president to end the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

    Is this true? Why doesn't Obama just issue an executive order to end the war? People going to criticize him anyway so he might as well go on and do it. It's not like he has anybody's love to lose.
     
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    SwtT Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    you are in for a LONG thread sister :laugh:

    But do I think he can end the wars??? IMMa keep my response simply and to the point...



    "Rome wasn't built in a day" I think Obama, if given the chance, could...at the very most...lay out a roughly drafted BLUEPRINT of HOW to end the wars but could he implement those changes....no.......I feel that he will have too much global opposition and Obama ain't God...He can only do so much in 4 years....Hell, even if he goes 8 there is still no guarantee
     
  3. Ankhur

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    Some faked Bin Laden tapes and data regarding;
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41UAnkQARFs
    http://www.livevideo.com/video/Trav...F4B233A0F/alex-jones-fake-bin-laden-tape.aspx

    http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/osamatape2.html
    http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/sociopol_binladen06.htm
     
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    Ankhur Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    It's not like he has anybody's love to lose.

    i'ts not about love, it's about money

    General Dynamics, Crown Dynasty & Obama
    Submitted by davidswanson on Thu, 2008-03-20 03:06.


    By Global Network Against Weapons & Nuclear Power in Space, http://www.space4peace.org

    Chicago's Crown Dynasty financially backs U.S. federal candidate Barack Obama.

    Under U.S. federal law an ultra-rich person is not supposed to make a campaign contribution of more than $2,300 per election each year to any one candidate for U.S. federal office. Yet in recent years members of an ultra-rich Chicago-based family, the Crown Dynasty, have apparently been making individual campaign contributions of more than $2,300 per election each year to a federal candidate named Barack Obama. According to the Center for Responsive Politics web site, for instance:
    On September 29, 2003, Paula Crown of Henry Crown & Company gave an individual campaign contribution of $9,500 to Barack Obama. Subsequently, Paula Crown gave another individual campaign contribution of $2,000 to Obama on June 2, 2004 and a third individual campaign contribution of $2,000 to Obama on February 24, 2005. Four days later, on February 28, 2005, Paula Crown also gave a $25,000 campaign contribution to the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee. The following year, Paula Crown gave another $25,000 campaign contribution to the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee on June 15, 2006;
    On March 25, 2003, Susan Crown of Henry Crown & Company gave an individual campaign contribution of $2,000 to Obama. Later that same year, on December 10, 2003, Susan Crown gave a second individual campaign contribution of $5,000 to Obama. A few months later, on March 11, 2004, another individual campaign contribution of $5,000 was given to Obama by Susan Crown. And the following month, an additional individual campaign contribution of $5,000 was given by Susan Crown on April 15, 2004 to Obama;
    An individual campaign contribution of $12,000 was also given on December 10, 2003 by Renee Crown to Obama. The following year, an individual campaign contribution of $2,000 was also given to Obama by Renee Crown on June 2, 2004;
    On March 10, 2004, an individual campaign contribution of $12,000 was given by Rebecca Crown to Obama. The next month, on April 15, 2004, Rebecca Crown also gave a $10,000 campaign contribution to the DNC Services Corporation;
    On June 27, 2003, James Crown of Henry Crown & Company gave an individual campaign contribution of $10,000 to Obama. The following year, on June 2, 2004, James Crown also gave an individual campaign contribution of $2,000 to Obama. That same year, a campaign contribution of $10,000 was also given to the DNC Services Corporation by James Crown. The following year, James Crown also gave a $25,000 campaign contribution to the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee on February 28, 2005 and an individual campaign contribution of $2,000 to Obama on February 24, 2005. On June 15, 2006, another $25,000 campaign contribution was given to the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee by James Crown;
    On February 23, 2004, Elizabeth Crown gave an individual campaign contribution of $12,000 to Obama;
    On February 23, 2004, Patricia Crown also gave an individual campaign contribution of $12,000 to Obama;
    The following day, on February 24, 2004, Joann Crown also gave an individual campaign contribution of $12,000 to Obama;
    A few days later, on March 3, 2004, William Crown also gave an individual campaign contribution of $12,000 to Obama;
    A.Steven Crown also gave an individual campaign contribution of $5,000 to Obama on September 29, 2003. That same year, on December 11, 2003, a second individual campaign contribution of $7,000 was also given to Obama by A.Steven Crown of Henry Crown & Company.
    In its 1980 edition, Everybody’s Business: An Almanac (by Milton Moskowitz, Michael Katz and Robert Levering) made the following reference to the Crown family of Chicago ’s history of making money from General Dynamics’ weapons manufacturing activity:
    “General Dynamics [which owns Bath Iron Works], more than any other aerospace company, is dependent on the Pentagon; government defense contracts account for two-thirds of their sales…The power behind the scenes is Henry Crown, a Chicago financier and one of the richest, but least known, men in the country. A group headed by Crown, who was 83 in 1980, owns about 20% of the company. His associates, who sit on the General Dynamics board with him, are his son, Lester Crown, and Chicago industrialist Nathan Cummings, founder of Consolidated Foods…”
    full article;
    http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/node/31965


    General Dynamics

    Most of the big defense contractors have done well as a result of the war on terror. The five-year chart for Lockheed Martin, for instance, reveals that the company's stock has doubled in value since 2001.

    Yet The Washington Post reported in July that industry analysts agree that of the large defense contractors, the one that has received the most direct benefit from the war in Iraq is General Dynamics. Much of that has to do with the fact that the company has focused its large combat systems business on supplying the Army with everything from bullets to tank shells to Stryker vehicles, which made their debut during the 2003 invasion.

    In July, the Post reported that the company's profits have tripled since 9/11. That should make some people happy, including David K Heebner, a former top aide to Army Chief of Staff Eric Shinseki, who was hired by General Dynamics in 1999, a year before the Stryker contract was sealed. According to Defense watchdogs at the Project on Government Oversight (POGO), General Dynamics formally announced it was hiring Heebner on November 20, 1999, just one month after Shinseki announced a new "vision" to transform the Army by moving away from tracked armored vehicles toward wheeled light-armored vehicles, and more than a month prior to Heebner's official retirement date of Dec. 31, 1999.

    Less than a year and a half later, Heebner was present for the rollout of the first Stryker in Alabama, where he was recognized by Shinseki for his work in the Army on the Stryker project.

    Although the Pentagon's inspector general concluded from a preliminary investigation that Heebner had properly recused himself from any involvement in projects involving his prospective employer once he had been offered the job, critics say the current ethics rules are too weak.

    "It's clear that the Army was leaning toward handing a multibillion-dollar contract to General Dynamics at the very time Heebner may have been in negotiations with the company for a high-paying executive position," says Jeffrey St. Clair, author of Grand Theft Pentagon, a sweeping review of war-profiteering during the "war on terror."

    Heebner's case is similar to Boeing's infamous courtship of Darlene Druyan, the Air Force acquisition officer who was eventually sentenced to nine months in prison and seven months in a halfway house for arranging a $250,000 a year job for herself on the other side of the revolving door while negotiating contracts for the Air Force that were favorable to Boeing.

    This March, Heebner reported owning 33,500 shares in the company, worth over $ 4 million, along with 21,050 options.

    Not everyone has been happy with the outcome of the Stryker contract. Tom Christie, the Pentagon's director of operational testing and evaluation, sent a classified letter to Donald Rumsfeld before it was deployed in Iraq, warning that the $3 million vehicle was not ready for heavy fire. Meanwhile, the GAO warned of serious deficiencies in vehicle training provided, a concern that turned serious when soldiers accidentally drove the Stryker into the Tigris rivers. Despite public praise from top Army officials, an internal Army report leaked to the Post in March 2005 revealed that the vehicles deployed in Iraq have been plagued with inoperable gear and maintenance problems that are "getting worse not better."

    Perhaps as insurance against any flap, General Dynamics has added former Attorney General John Ashcroft to its stable of high-powered lobbyists. Working the account are Juleanna Glover Weiss, Vice President Dick Cheney's former press secretary, Lori Day Sharp, Ashcroft's former assistant, and Willie Gaynor, a former Commerce Department official who also worked for the 2004 Bush-Cheney reelection campaign

    full article;
    http://www.alternet.org/world/41083/
     
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    no, he cannot......

    if fighting stopped, the first thing that would happen is the US economy would tank. really collapse.
     
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    that is SAD news indeed. we all know how this war has drained us in terms of money, lives, etc. it is WORSE that our economy depends on us being at war. what kind of monsters are we that we cannot survive without being hostile? when will this madness end?
     
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    we are religious capitalists
     
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    it would not collapse, the money would just be used were it should, rather then were the industrialists want it, that is what Eisenhower's warning was about
     
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    I personally do not believe that it is Obama's intentions to end any of these wars, but rather to expand them. He, just as Bush, are owned by the corporate masters and bankers who have an agenda to destablize, impoverish, and exploit what is left of the world's resources.They are the shadow government with the intent to kill off most of the "useless" population, and to control and enslave the rest of us.
     
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