Black People : Can fighting in an unjust war drive one Insane?

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  1. Ankhur

    Ankhur Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    There were many suicides amongst the Vietnam veterans, and after 9/11 the pattern has returned, in vets from Iraq and Afhanistan, as well as domestic violence, and the murdering of freinds and family.
    Many of these soldiers fight with the full knowledge that the wars are not about national defense but about money, big money;
    http://video.google.com/videoplay?d...=gs75Svn1Ap3KqQKSldGTCg&q=why+we+fight&hl=en#

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cJlJudDtVE

    As this nation seeks to create the ultimate soldier, that neither feels emotion, nor concience,
    is the inner spirit of these men and women after being subdued for so long, transforming into something nihilistic?
     
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    Ma'at Hetep

    Once you get accustomed to killing there is no turning back. Most have a natural barrier to taking another life. Once you have been desensitized, it's easy. That makes a "Good Military Person". Kill at will/whom ever u view the enemy. From my experience in the military they don't have a "Real" programmed set up to help those re-adjust that have been trained to kill without feeling. So the answer to your question is "Yes", It can/does make your crazy.

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    I agree. I also am troubled by the fact that we do not see Nidal Hassan's action as an extension of the war in Iraq and Afaganistan. Why do we not morn the "collateral damage" consisting of the millions of innocent woman, children, elderly etc., that our soldiers have murdered in those countries? Is it when we do it, its "collateral damage" and when they do it-it's murder????
     
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    Ma'at Hetep

    EXACTLY
     
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    great post.............
     
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    fighting an unjust war (wtf? all war is "unjust"!) is really no different than living an unjust Life. which is what we do since most everything we do is part of a machine that defiles, desecrates and damages Life. (check the state of our biosphere, eh?)

    not all the "insane" are the results of being trained to kill and not having a thorough "debriefing". some folks just "go postal" from the side-effects of "living" in "society".
     
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    America is afraid to say the Muslim Major who did the Fort Hood killings.
    Will be tried for murder and executed.

    They are trying to talk with him, understand him.

    If they say this and pursue it, immediately that woukd send a clear message. This is unacceptable no matter who you are.

    They didn't hesitate to try and pronounce the DC sniper a murderer, and they executed him last night.

    Double cowardly standard.. America does not want to upset the Muslim community.

    In every war, thousands of deaths.
    Thousands are killed to take a hill.


    Then after all the killing and carnage. We pay and repair the war damage.

    Logic.. if we didn't tear things up, they would not need fixing.

    Have a Blessed Veterens Day!
     
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    of course not; how many would want to upset their teachers?

    after all, had arabia not enslaved us and forced us into a religion not our own, white folks might not have had a successful model to use when they forced their religion on us and continued the "de-Africanation" of the "black" mind!

    yup! there's gonna be "heck" to pay when we start in to detoxing this planet!

    Thanks! we will .. as much as those of us that are homeless can (the thanks we get, eh?)!! (about one third of the 500 in the SHARE network of shelters.)
     
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    Killing another human is hard on one’s soul. Killing some one who was not a treat to you, will eat away at your spirit. It will hunt you.
    It will affect every thing you were thought to believe in. When you return from Combat the world you got used to, is replaced with the world you thought you new. But it’s all different now. Your thoughts go round in circles, trying to put your finger on what is real, and what is the nightmare. It won’t matter if the war was just or not!

    It will take time to sort through all these things. Some can and some can’t.

    Congratulations on those who have survived.
     
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    Is there really any such thing as a "just war?

    Since the start of time, one set of People have sought to impose their will and subjection onto another set of People for power through the control land, other natural resources, and political/military/or religious rule; and when neither side will retreat nor respectfully compromise, they go to war, killing each other.

    So, whether any war is considered "unjust," men, women and children are still killed and raped and tortured and have their lives destroyed because of war. The families of the soldiers are interrupted and changed; and the soldiers go back home with visions in their heads of horrors most of us could never imagine.

    And when soldiers leave a tour of duty in War, they are so-called "debriefed" and asked on a FORM they have to fill out if they would like to receive any "counseling." --Just check the "yes" box or the "no" box.

    But, just like with police officers, if they say "YES," they are looked upon as being "weak." Their very manhood is tacitly (and sometimes, overtly) impugned because they asked for some psychiatric counseling.

    So, these soldiers are really "damned if they do and damned if they don't."

    And when they DON'T get the counseling they need, they are not the same mentally and emotionally when they return to their families and the day-to-day lives they had before; and they have no recourse to deal with the mental and emotional turmoil they live with everyday. They feel they have no one to talk to (not anyone who would understand) and they don't want to appear "weak" to their wives and mothers and fathers. So, they hold it all in.

    Some of them become non-talkative, anti-social, abusive. Some start to drink heavily.

    Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome is a helluva state of mind!

    .....Heck, I even had a teacher in school who was a Vietnam Vet and he freaked out in class one day. He had a flashback when he heard the Fire Drill Bell go off. (Afterward, we had a Substitute Teacher for a few days; and then, he came back to work.)

    "War IS Hell." And yes, it can make you go crazy BEFORE and AFTER, whether it's an "unjust" war or not has nothing to do with it.

    However, this Ft. Hood shooter obviously was battling some serious mental, emotional and religious conflicts; but, if the reports are true, the Government/Military already KNEW about his potentially threatening thoughts from Internet postings and DID NOTHING ABOUT IT.

    As usual, now, AFTER THE FACT, they're trying to "put the pieces together."

     
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