Black People : Can Consciousness & Wealth Co-Exist?

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  1. imhotep06

    imhotep06 Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    Date: Sunday 3/02/2008
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    We are sorry for the technical difficulties from the first show which forced us to start later than scheduled. But we have that all fixed now. Be sure to tune in this Sunday March 2nd for a very sensitive and thought engaging discussion. So call-in and lets dialogue for a minute.




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    Topic of Discussion:
    Can Consciousness AND Wealth Co-Exist?

    The number one problem facing grass roots, African-Centered organizations is funding. Some say it is because of the message and narrow market, that prevents organizations from finding adequate funding. Is this true and if so, what can be done to change this? Can wealth and African-Centered consciousness co-exist on an organizational AND and individual level? This will be a call-in show, so come with plenty of questions.
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    i believe that it is totally possible, if i ever get any money i'll prove it.

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    There is no lack of funds among Afrikans in America. We already have, collectively, over half a trillion USD by even the most conservative estimates.

    Any black person with a job in America, even one paying minimum wage, is already making more money than most of the other inhabitants of our planet.

    The #1 problem is not a lack of funding, it is a lack of consciousness. If we were conscious, if we knew who we were, we would not be wasting so much of our substantial funds on SUVs, weed, weaves, and christian church collection plates.
     
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    So true.

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    Request For Proposals

    There are philanthropist that are giving money away if the language of ones RFP suits (even in part) their agenda and (specifically) addresses some need in the community. Getting back to the RFP language, it usually has to be backed by theory( moreso in the Social Sciences) and be connected in a way to Evidence based practice. Evidence based practice is procedural ...it is a particular *Method* one uses that has a (so-called ) universal appeal (like APA formating) that is normally used in the Grant Writing process. What I see in the social work field is similar to following stock trends. You attend lobbyist meetings or conferences or keep up with the latest bills being passed in your community and then methodically weave those agendas into one that will approximate your own (Culturally specific)intentions (like a rites of passage educational program or an outreach program with a cultural competency piece to it (for either Behavioral health/subsidized housing for the homeless/or Health care related namely breast and cervical cancer, HIV. That would be the platform that outlines ones Request for proposal and once it is evaluated and refined to meet the criteria ,and gets approved/rewarded...you can insert some of the more important "Culturally/Spiritually specific" elements. In the meantime (after being rewarded) you can look for funding elsewhere that won't have so much influence on how you can run your program ...hopefully to a point where you can be Autonomous.

    It is beneficial to take a Grant Writing Class if you can. Hetep
     
  6. Omowale Jabali

    Omowale Jabali The Cosmic Journeyman PREMIUM MEMBER

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    Hmmm....


    First, I will answer yeah,

    Secondly, this has been a criticism of mine but nevermind that. But it goes back to the Nguzo Saba and the concepts of Ujima and Umoja. The idea of extended family Kinship or Familyhood and Cooperative economics. Outside of this concept then it amounts to personal wealth, which is anti-thetical to the Mutual Benefit of the collective. This requires a change in Life Styles. Otherwise, it is not truly African-Centered.
     
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    It can

    but rarely does.

    "It's easier for a camel to get through an eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven"


    And he aint never lied.

    Nobody wants to face the truth because everybody wants to bling.


    Aint going to happen.

    The only way most people on this earth can survive is the way they always have...


    Community=communisn


    In any other system, most people can only be two things...


    Slaves or Wards.


    Might not like it. Might wish it wasn't that way. But eventuaslly, that's what it always boils down to--even in so--called beacons of democracy.


    Most people survived the Great Depression of the early 1930's by going Aboriginal in their Counties and hoods.


    That's the only way they are going to survive the coming one.


    All these black Daniel Boones are going to find that out soon enough when they lose they mercedes, and are back living in Mom's house
     
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    Community=communalism


    This is quite different from communism which is a european ideology.

    African societies were essential communalist, based on Kinship.
     
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    I appreciate all of the feedback. Make sure you listen on Sunday and call in to give your opinions.

    But until then, why does it seem like African-Centered, very "conscious" African people can't amass the capital to make the kinds of changes they desire here in the United States? Everyone claims the community doesn't support them. Is it really the community, or is it because they do not provide a service that the community needs short term which could yield higher returns for the organization?
     
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    Greetings imhotep06,

    Bro. Istlota gave us a very interesting point, as well as others. I think it also matters who is involved in that "co-existence" meaning are we speaking about how it co-exists within ourselves, or how it co-exists within a nation.

    In a nation, some of us can be "wealthy" and some of us can be "conscious" and we can co-exist together, forming a bond of respect. When we look at the most conscious among us, our scholars and teachers, those who pass on their knowledge and training to us. Some of them do "ok", but we can hardly call them wealthy. The only place I personally see it existing, is within a Nation. The Nation of Islam might have some bragging rights in that regard. And when someone is ready to invent The Nation of Christ, they will have bragging right too. But for now, the Pastors might be wealthy, but they are very rarely conscious. I don't know where we would place Pastor Ray Hagins in terms of wealth. I would call him an "African-Centered" Pastor, along with a few others around the country.

    I think the African-Centered community is not supported simply because "becoming" African-Centered is not supported. We are not being told 24-7 that being "conscious" is good of us, at least not collectively as a people. We are told collectively to be good Christians. Good consumers and Good Americans. You know, all of those things do not sit well with true African Centered folks. Not saying that there are no African Centered good Christians, because there are.

    However, even their Churches are not promoted higher than the other religious centers that keep the negro slave mind alive. And it's that mind itself that has been the problem. Some of us make in a week what takes our Brothers and Sisters in Africa months to make. We throw away enough to feed a grown Man, his Wife and two children on shoes and clothing.
    If you can pay all your bills for the month and have money left, according to the world- YOU ARE wealthy. So this also deals with how we define wealth and consciousness too.

    The African Centered community should design services for their overall communities. I think that would be a wonderful idea. In Atlanta, our NOI Brothas are on the corners selling fruit. I am personally thankful. And since they have a farm they can offer two bags full of fruit for $5. Which is a steal, and a healthy one at that. I would like to see more of that. I would love to see more conscious people creating the products and services that we need.
    Saying we love Black people is one thing. Doing something that says we love Black people is a different matter entirely.
     
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