Black Money Business Jobs : Can anyone make sense of the job market?

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  1. blazejay

    blazejay Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    I come to seek resolutions not anger or more tears.
    I sat and thought about this for a long time.
    Ain't no way around it, but these are the facts that we face today.
    I understand that businesses want the best of the best, but what does facebook,linkedin, your length of unemployment, and credit has to do with hiring?
    To make it worse, they admit they try to eliminate people for the job.
    How do we suppose to react?

    We do everything that is directed and still not hired?
    I hate to bring up race here, but it seems that they are doing this to keep minorities out of the workforce and they can careless about your survivability.
    Even though this is happening to whites too, it is mainly directed toward us.
     
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    Good Questions and a Clear Observation Brother blazejay

    Your resume must be right. Formatted and detailed in summary.

    The social networks the applicant belongs to helps the employer do his own unregulated personality and character analysis. They can ask so many questions and remain legal. so they use your facebook to see if the individual is party person, drinking a lot at clubs and stuff, whom they hang with, what they are doing in the photo's, what they may view a or have as beliefs and stuff.

    From this they make a ( UNREGULATED, POSSIBLY BIASED, SOMETIMES UNFAIR ) determination about an individual from some measurement profile that is floating with the HR structure. The HR personnel got this from a training seminar. The credit report tells how the employer how responsible an individual is. Lots of bad marks mean to them that person may not be a good candidate, is irresponsible and can not manage responsibility and commitment well.

    Nothing can be done.

    The whole interview is about weeding out those who can't answer the questions, not able to explain a process, or concept in their field of expertise. remember though you are also interviewing them. What you ask or know and especially what you say in the first few minutes of the interview when it is your time to talk. Is the key. After you answer their questions interview them.

    • ( is this a new position or one being filled because someone promoted )?
    • It throws them off , and if they are honest they will say they fired the last person. You then can decide. Do you want to enter that hostile environment?
    • To the one talking with you get them to share themselves.. How long have you been employed here at XYZ?
    They like to talk and will warm up to the applicant. Be honest above all cost. About education and reasons for leaving or quitting. Work on framing those issues. I have one now.. I quit a job last year.

    I said It was for family emergency. I was honest and reported I quit. You have to be honest. Honesty cost me. There was a family issue. I quit and went to aid in my family's behalf.

    My manager wanted to fire me but he wanted me to quit more. So for three years they did things that were bias, and against me. I asked several times to be let go. They refused to do that. I looked for other work but it didn't materialize.

    But you have to be honest when they ask why did you leave so and so. If they find out later your education is not true or the reason you gave after they do a check was false your fired and they have some bad news to report to the next job.

    By law a company can give the reasons you are no longer working there. Quit, Fired, laid off etc... Quitting draws all sorts of pictures in their minds.
    I even offered my three reviews, to show my performance. All three reviews were very good. It didn't matter. It just cost me last month an opportunity for about a sixty thou a year job.

    I passed the interview with the VP, three engineers and the HR didn't or couldn't relate to an honest answer to a question she asked. I quit.

    Still they frowned on me as being a quitter.. I don't want to work for them based on that. It tells me they play games, are racist, closed minded and do not like honest people.

    It never dawns on them and they know it is prevalent. Many companies are bad to work for and treat the employees like crap. Me I quit or find something else. They are shallow minded , I , and my family come above any income.

    The truth of why I quit is my manager was a A**, my supervisor was a sell-out negro and the atmosphere was hostile and toxic. I felt myself changing and was not far from getting physical with a few of those fools.. even taking my boss outside and smacking the black into him.

    Any problems I have ever had with racism on the job... I find that in about three cases over the years another black was lying on me, help sell me out or didn't stand up when the time came and the investigation started.

    One reason I can relate to Lauryn Hill quitting the music business.. is the same reasons I would quit a company. They are bad, toxic and I can do better or bad all by myself. I told my boss. I don't come to work here for this. You don't have to pay me to treat me bad. There are people in the streets, and I have friends that will do it for free.

    They want you to give a two week notice. A job is an at will contract. They can let you go without notice at any time without a reason. You cant quit or just leave for any reason because they are biased the way the game is set up. They are quick to be judgmental. Basically they ask and say they want the truth, cant be told the truth so always tell it based on guidelines and have the bottom line reflect the facts. Let the chips fall because we have no advocates in the the process.

    On line here we talked about resume critiques and helping each other. This may be something we need to get serious about. Remove your name and company names, phone numbers etc... only experience listed and help each other as much as possible from there.
     
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    It's a scam. Basically, technology has reduced the number of people needed to do the same jobs geometrically. Thus, and employer can use almost any petty criteria it wants to discriminate whom they hire. This is aided by the government(s) being bought by the highest bidder. ( The rich or should I say, job creators. lol ) The overwhelming lack of jobs for the uneducated. The death weakening of unions. The voter has been convinced to vote against their own best interest, repeatedly. Thus, the job market you have today





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    With "possible" exception of the last paragraph, real talk analysis. :bowdown: As for the last paragraph, however, I was told they can only give your employment dates, but NOT whether you quit or were fired. :11200:

    Another thing. They can't ask your race on an application form, but pix on facebook will show them you're black, in which case you might not even be called in for an interview.

    As for the credit report, the only jobs I can see needing to know whether or not you're in trouble, financially, is a bank or payday loans. Just because someone finds themselves in financial difficulty does not mean they're "irresponsible." What if your family emergency was that due to unexpected events such as losing their jobs, your parents or even kids were say, losing their house unless they came up with $20,000 ASAP? You borrow it, but can only make minimum payments. Or someone close to you dies and you can either skip this month's and possibly next month's payment or have no 'homecoming' and let the city or state inter their body in Potters Field - which do you choose? Oh, and you've had good credit all your life, but you get fired and 6 months later you're still unemployed. Do you take "cash advances" on that credit card or get put out on the street for non-payment of rent? All of these "unexpected events" will lower your credit score. None, IMO, have anything to do with "irresponsibility," fiscal or otherwise. IMO, it's the same as being labeled "unreliable" and denied a job as a clerk, teacher or engineer because you've been married and divorced 4 times.

    One last thing: being honest about why you quit or were fired. You're right, however, when being honest, "framing" your answer is key. NEVER say it was because you're black! 99% of whites are racist themselves, so why would you "complain" about their peers being just like them? Tell them that and they'll label you a "trouble-maker" and not hire you. However you frame your response, do NOT complain or whine about racism, "unfair" treatment or bad-mouth your former employer. 'If you do it to them, you'll do it to us, too,' is what the interviewer will be thinking (either that, or "doesn't play well with others" which also won't get you hired). And, while it's not illegal to check your education, unless they've changed employment Law, :10500:you can give most any reason for leaving and your former employer cannot discuss or contradict it. For instance:

    "I had a family emergency that lasted for 3 months. I was hoping my employer would hold my job for me, but due to the company's demands, they couldn't."

    Nonetheless, all in all, excellent response!
     
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    On a few jobs I applied for they had me fill out the application up front online for consideration. The portion where they asked for gender and race. I filled out. I don't like to, because I feel it may be used to discriminate. I fill it out anyway. If it is used I don't want to be employed by such a group or any company that plays that game and they do. To me it is a blessing to passed up by the nonsense.

    I try to stay current on what the laws are where I reside. They vary state to state.
    It is a good practice to know them. Below is the link for the states. Each outlined in what they can share.

    Arizona shares a lot and so does California where I am. So I have to be truthful.

    You are correct in so many respects. I agree with your examples and those things happen.

    I have had my share of each of them. If you’re working in Human Resources you may have your credit checked, or at a Bank as a Teller or dealing with Cashier at a restaurant etc..

    My wife is in Human Resources and I know they pulled our report.

    State Laws on References and Statements By Former Employers

    http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/free-books/employee-rights-book/chapter9-6.html

    State Laws on Information From Former Employers

    Alaska

    Alaska Stat. § 09.65.160

    Information that may be disclosed:

    • job performance

    Who may request or receive information:

    • prospective employer

    • former or current employee

    Employer immune from liability unless:

    • Employer knowingly or intentionally discloses information that is false or misleading or that violates employee’s civil rights.

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    Arizona

    Ariz. Rev. Stat. Ann. § 23-1361

    Information that may be disclosed:

    • job performance

    • reasons for termination or separation

    • performance evaluation or opinion

    • knowledge, qualifications, skills, or abilities

    • education, training, or experience

    • professional conduct

    Who may request or receive information:

    • prospective employer

    • former or current employee

    Copy to employee required:

    • Copy of disclosures must be sent to employee’s last known address.

    Employer immune from liability:

    • employer with fewer than 100 employees who provides only the information listed above

    • employer with at least 100 employees who has a regular practice of providing information requested by a prospective employer

    Employer immune from liability unless:

    • Information is intentionally misleading.

    • Employer provided information knowing it was false or not caring if it was true or false.

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    California

    Cal. Civ. Code § 47(c); Cal. Lab. Code §§ 1053, 1055

    Information that may be disclosed:

    • job performance

    • reasons for termination or separation

    • knowledge, qualifications, skills, or abilities based upon credible evidence

    • eligibility for rehire

    Who may request or receive information:

    • prospective employer

    Employer required to write letter:

    • public utility companies only

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    http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/can-prospective-employers-check-your-credit-report.html

    Can Prospective Employers Check Your Credit Report?

    Although federal law allows employers to check credit, some states don't.

    If an employer checks credit reports when hiring employees, it has to follow the legal rules set out in the federal Fair Credit Reporting Act (FCRA). The FCRA requires employers to:

    • get your consent before pulling the report
    • give you a warning (along with a copy of the report received) if the employer plans to reject you on the basis of the report, and
    • give you an official adverse action notice if the employer does not hire you because of the contents of the report.
    This article explains each of these requirements. It also covers some state laws, which limit an employer’s ability to use credit reports in hiring.

    State Law Limits

    The economic downturn has led many politicians to reconsider whether it's fair or productive for employers to use credit reports in making hiring decisions. After all, this can lead to a vicious cycle, in which those with poor credit records are less likely to find work, which means their credit report will get even worse, and so will their job prospects.

    At least ten states (California, Colorado, Connecticut, Hawaii, Illinois, Maryland, Nevada, Oregon, Vermont, and Washington) have passed laws prohibiting employers from pulling credit reports at all or restricting how and when employers may use them to make hiring or other job decisions. According to the National Conference of State Legislatures (NCSL), more than 20 states are currently considering similar legislation. To find out whether your state is among them, go to the NCSL's detailed chart on www.ncsl.org.

    If your state prohibits employers from checking applicants' credit reports or using their credit histories in hiring decisions, you are protected. Even though the federal FCRA allows employers to consider credit reports, state laws that are more protective of employee rights override the federal law.
     
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