Black People : Bush PAID The Taliban To Attack Us - Proof

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  1. tigre35

    tigre35 Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    Bush's Faustian Deal With the Taliban
    By Robert Scheer
    Published May 22, 2001 in the Los Angeles Times

    Enslave your girls and women, harbor anti-U.S. terrorists, destroy every vestige of civilization in your homeland, and the Bush administration will embrace you. All that matters is that you line up as an ally in the drug war, the only international cause that this nation still takes seriously.

    That's the message sent with the recent gift of $43 million to the Taliban rulers of Afghanistan, the most virulent anti-American violators of human rights in the world today. The gift, announced last Thursday by Secretary of State Colin Powell, in addition to other recent aid, makes the U.S. the main sponsor of the Taliban and rewards that "rogue regime" for declaring that opium growing is against the will of God. So, too, by the Taliban's estimation, are most human activities, but it's the ban on drugs that catches this administration's attention.

    Never mind that Osama bin Laden still operates the leading anti-American terror operation from his base in Afghanistan, from which, among other crimes, he launched two bloody attacks on American embassies in Africa in 1998.

    Sadly, the Bush administration is cozying up to the Taliban regime at a time when the United Nations, at U.S. insistence, imposes sanctions on Afghanistan because the Kabul government will not turn over Bin Laden.

    The war on drugs has become our own fanatics' obsession and easily trumps all other concerns. How else could we come to reward the Taliban, who has subjected the female half of the Afghan population to a continual reign of terror in a country once considered enlightened in its treatment of women?

    At no point in modern history have women and girls been more systematically abused than in Afghanistan where, in the name of madness masquerading as Islam, the government in Kabul obliterates their fundamental human rights. Women may not appear in public without being covered from head to toe with the oppressive shroud called the burkha , and they may not leave the house without being accompanied by a male family member. They've not been permitted to attend school or be treated by male doctors, yet women have been banned from practicing medicine or any profession for that matter.

    The lot of males is better if they blindly accept the laws of an extreme religious theocracy that prescribes strict rules governing all behavior, from a ban on shaving to what crops may be grown. It is this last power that has captured the enthusiasm of the Bush White House.

    The Taliban fanatics, economically and diplomatically isolated, are at the breaking point, and so, in return for a pittance of legitimacy and cash from the Bush administration, they have been willing to appear to reverse themselves on the growing of opium. That a totalitarian country can effectively crack down on its farmers is not surprising. But it is grotesque for a U.S. official, James P. Callahan, director of the State Department's Asian anti-drug program, to describe the Taliban's special methods in the language of representative democracy: "The Taliban used a system of consensus-building," Callahan said after a visit with the Taliban, adding that the Taliban justified the ban on drugs "in very religious terms."

    Of course, Callahan also reported, those who didn't obey the theocratic edict would be sent to prison.

    In a country where those who break minor rules are simply beaten on the spot by religious police and others are stoned to death, it's understandable that the government's "religious" argument might be compelling. Even if it means, as Callahan concedes, that most of the farmers who grew the poppies will now confront starvation. That's because the Afghan economy has been ruined by the religious extremism of the Taliban, making the attraction of opium as a previously tolerated quick cash crop overwhelming.

    For that reason, the opium ban will not last unless the U.S. is willing to pour far larger amounts of money into underwriting the Afghan economy.

    As the Drug Enforcement Administration's Steven Casteel admitted, "The bad side of the ban is that it's bringing their country--or certain regions of their country--to economic ruin." Nor did he hold out much hope for Afghan farmers growing other crops such as wheat, which require a vast infrastructure to supply water and fertilizer that no longer exists in that devastated country. There's little doubt that the Taliban will turn once again to the easily taxed cash crop of opium in order to stay in power.

    The Taliban may suddenly be the dream regime of our own war drug war zealots, but in the end this alliance will prove a costly failure. Our long sad history of signing up dictators in the war on drugs demonstrates the futility of building a foreign policy on a domestic obsession.

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  2. tigre35

    tigre35 Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    SO, This Means

    IF the Taliban DID indeed attack us, OUR rPRESIDENT gave them the resoucres to do it to us.

    DO you *ush supporters see it now?

    How can he ever justify giving our deadliest enemies so much of our money? What do you THINK they did with it?

    He's in league with them. This isn't a claim, I proveded documentation on exactly how much the *ushes and the Bin Ladens are VERY interconnected.

    Wake up.

    This is Ainding and abetting the enemy. This is high treason.

    If nothing else, this is giving OUR money away, that we need, to our enemies.

    Obviously, THEY'RE not enemies. Sh*t, if *ush gave ME $43M of YOUR money, the feud would be so OVER. I'd be inviting him by for christmas, sending him b-day cards and going to the game with him, smoking blunts together, dating his daughters (well, they'd be dating ME...), etc.

    They are NOT enemies but, partners. And, I've provided TONS of proof.

    Those who support the pResident, what say you on this?

    Wake up, you've been had. He's paying everybody BUT you while he sends us to die for a story full of proven lies (it even rhymes).
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    tigre35 Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    "Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort."

    If $43M ain't "COMFORT", the word has NO meaning at all. It made them **** comfortable. They bought bullets, guns, bombs, plane tickets, school tuitions, disguises, fake documents/I.D., favors from key people and ANYTHING ELSE they needed to hurt people globally and in New York.

    But, they we're commissioned by our government to do so and I've listed all the times the Gov let them go or ordered agents not to apprehend. So, they, like Noriega was, are simply on our payroll.

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    tigre35 Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    Shouldn't Laili (Taliban) Helms Be Investigated?

    I like that old phrase "The news is what someone desperately doesn't want you to find out. All the rest is just advertising..."

    Shouldn't Laili (Taliban) Helms Be Investigated?

    If we are LOOKING for Taliban, why don't we hear that she's been talked to? She and the Taliban are the best of buddies. A literal tea party.

    She was running closely with them when 9/11 occurred.

    Check out snippets of an article that really bugs me. Sorry I don't have the link but, it can be found:

    Week of June 13 - 19, 2001
    Mondo Washington
    The Accidental Operative
    by Camelia Fard & James Ridgeway

    "Uncle **** thinks I'm crazy": Laili Helms, niece of the former CIA director and ambassador for the Taliban.

    For the people gathered here, the name brings back memories of Richard Helms, director of the CIA during the tumultuous 1960s, the era of Cuba and Vietnam. After he was accused of destroying most of the agency's secret documents detailing its own crimes, Helms left the CIA and became President Ford's ambassador to Iran. There, he trained the repressive secret police, inadvertently sparking the revolution that soon toppled his friend the Shah.

    Laili Helms, his niece by marriage, is an operative, too-but of a different kind. This pleasant young woman who makes her home in New Jersey is the Taliban rulers' unofficial ambassador in the U.S., and their most active and best-known advocate elsewhere in the West.

    As such she not only defends but promotes a severe regime that has given the White House fits for the past six years-by throwing women out of jobs and schools, stoning adulterers, forcing Hindus to wear an identifying yellow patch, and smashing ancient Buddha statues.

    A granddaughter of a former Afghan minister in the last monarchy, she returned home during the war to work on U.S. aid missions. "Everyone thinks I'm a spy," she said in a recent Voice interview. "And Uncle **** thinks I'm crazy."

    Helms's home across the Hudson has become a sort of kitchen-table embassy. She says she patches together conference calls between the Taliban leadership and State Department officials. A recent one cost more than $1000, an expense she covered from her own checking account.

    One moment she's packing up a used computer for the foreign ministry in Kabul, the next driving down to Washington for a briefing or meeting with members of Congress. Her cell phone rings nonstop.

    In February, the U.S. demanded that Taliban offices here be closed.

    Helms may be just another suburban mom in the States, but last year in Afghanistan she got movie-star treatment, driving around downtown Kabul in a smart late-model Japanese car, escorted by armed guards waving Kalashnikov rifles, rattling away in English and Farsi as she shot video footage to prove that Afghan women are working, free, and happy.

    She stands at the public relations hub of a ragtag network of amateur Taliban advocates in the U.S. At the University of Southern California, economics professor Nake M. Kamrany arranged last year for the Taliban's Rahmatullah Hashami, ambassador at large, to bypass the visa block.

    He even rounded up enough money for Hashami to lecture at the University of California, both in Los Angeles and Berkeley. The trip ended at the State Department in D.C., with a reported offer to turn Osama bin Laden over to the U.S.

    Also in San Francisco, Ghamar Farhad, a bank supervisor, has served as host to the Taliban's visiting deputy minister of information along with the ambassador at large.

    She generally likes the Taliban because she believes they have cut down on rape, but got very upset when they blew up the Buddha statues. When the Taliban explained to her that these satanic idols had to go, Farhad says, she changed her mind.

    Led by Helms, these people have answers for all the accusations made against the Taliban, starting with its treatment of women.

    Helms argues that foreign observers have forgotten conditions in the country following the war against the Soviets. "Afghanistan was like a Mad Max scenario," she says. "Anyone who had a gun and a pickup truck could abduct your women, rape them. . . .

    When the Taliban came and established security, the majority of Afghan women who suffered from the chaotic conditions were happy, because they could live, their children could live."

    In 1999, Helms says, she got a message from the Taliban leadership that they were willing to turn over all of bin Laden's communications equipment, which they had seized, to the U.S. When she called the State Department with this offer, officials were at first interested, but later said, "No. We want him."

    None of this has changed the impression most people here have of the Taliban. Helms and her cohorts have a lot of work to do. As she freely admits, the Taliban leaders "are considered fascists, tyrants, Pol Pots. They can't do anything right. We perceive them as monsters no matter what they do."

    Additional reporting: Ariston-Lizabeth Anderson and Rouven Gueissaz
    Copyright by the Village Voice

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    Also, peep this:

    The Man Who Knew The Most About Bin Laden Is Killed

    Trade Center security chief thought dead
    September 12, 2001 Posted: 11:27 PM EDT (0327 GMT)

    By Richard Esposito
    Special to CNN

    (CNN) -- John O’Neill retired last month as the FBI's counterterrorism head to become chief of security at the World Trade Center, where he is believed to have died on Tuesday helping with rescue efforts. He was 49.

    O'Neill was a three-decade FBI veteran. He led the bureau's investigation of the October 12, 2000, terrorist bombing of the USS Cole in Yemen and was involved in the terrorism trials led by Mary Jo White, U.S. attorney in Manhattan.

    Flagg and other investigators speculated that O’Neill ran back into the damaged structure, as did many in the command structure of New York's fire, police and rescue community.

    Hundreds of firefighters, emergency workers, police officers and Port Authority officers are missing and believed dead.

    O'Neill's FBI career was not without controversy. During his investigation of the USS Cole attack, U.S. Ambassador to Yemen Barbara Bodine is said to have complained the FBI was overly aggressive.

    At one point, the agency pulled O'Neill and his team out of Yemen amid fears of terrorist attacks on the investigators.

    As O'Neill retired from the FBI last month, he was said to be under investigation for leaving a briefcase with classified documents in a Tampa, Florida, hotel last year. The documents were recovered.

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    tigre35 Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    Coincidences and Capitalist Terrorists

    U.S. and British intelligence agencies are reportedly investigating links between alleged terrorist mastermind Osama bin Laden and various stock trades in the United States and Europe around the time of the devastating attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, which sent foreign markets into tailspins over worries about the U.S. economy.

    At least that's the story as reported in the Sankei Shimbun newspaper in Japan – a report conspicuously absent from most U.S. news budgets. (The story was linked at WorldNetDaily last weekend.)

    Among other things, under a practice known as short-selling, a person with prior information can score large profits when a stock sinks in value on certain news – such as corporate problems or, in this case, the broader news of an attack that has crippled the United States.

    Did bin Laden tip off his billionaire family or other rich allies in his terrorist cause? Did bin Laden, who is worth about $300 million, use his foreknowledge of the attack to profit personally?

    The U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission declined to "confirm or deny" any such investigations by U.S. financial authorities, but a spokesman added that the agency has received a variety of investor e-mail "suggesting that the SEC check records" on stock transactions around the time of the attacks to establish any possible linkage to profiteering by persons related to the terrorists.

    We keep hearing that Osama bin Laden is a black sheep in the family – practically disowned.

    Yet, at least once before, his family profited handsomely because of Osama bin Laden's terrorist actions. The bin Laden family was hired to rebuild a U.S. Air Force base in Saudi Arabia after the Khobar Towers were destroyed in 1996. Osama bin Laden was the chief suspect in that bombing.

    Can things get any stranger?

    Well, try this on for size: A report in the Houston Chronicle June 4, 1992, said federal officials were investigating the activities of a Houston businessman accused of illegally representing Saudi interests in the U.S. The U.S. businessman was James R. Bath. Among the Saudi interests were those of Saudi Sheik Salem M. bin Laden.

    Who is Bath? A past investor in companies controlled by (are you sitting down?) … George W. Bush.

    Back in 1992, the Financial Crimes Enforcement Network – known as FinCEN – and the FBI were reviewing accusations that entrepreneur Bath guided money to Houston from Saudi investors who wanted to influence U.S. policy under the Reagan and Bush administrations – that's the first Bush administration, of course.

    The federal review reportedly stemmed in part from court documents obtained through litigation by Bill White, a former real estate business associate of Bath. White contends the documents indicate that the Saudis were using Bath and their huge financial resources to influence U.S. policy.

    Such representation by Bath would require that he be registered as a foreign agent with the U.S. Department of Justice. In general, people required by law to be registered are those who represent a foreign entity seeking to influence governmental action or policy. An Annapolis graduate and former Navy fighter pilot, White, 46, claimed that Bath and the judicial system, under the veil of national security, have blackballed him professionally and financially because he has refused to keep quiet about what he regards as a conspiracy to secretly funnel Saudi dollars to the United States.

    In sworn depositions, according to the Chronicle story, Bath said he represented four prominent Saudis as a trustee (one of whom was Saudi Sheik Salem M. bin Laden) and that he would use his name on their investments. In return, he said, he would receive a 5 percent interest in their deals.

    Tax documents and personal financial records show that Bath personally had a 5 percent interest in Arbusto '79 Ltd., and Arbusto '80 Ltd., limited partnerships controlled by George W. Bush, who now finds himself directing a war against terrorism and the No. 1 enemy of Osama bin Laden, of the same Saudi family.

    Arbusto actually means "bush" in Spanish. Bath invested $50,000 in the limited partnerships, according to the documents. There is no available evidence to show whether the money came from Saudi interests.

    But the financial links between the bin Laden family and Bush family get even more curious.
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    tigre35 Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    What's Even Worse Than Nazi Hatred? Talmudic Hatred.

    look at their Talmud, a book that is older than the bible and NO ONE says is a "Fraud" and, what's said is ALOT WORSE:

    To communicate anything to a Goy about our religious relations would
    be equal to the killing of all Jews, for if the Goyim knew what we
    teach about them, they would kill us openly.

    Libbre David 37 Who would say this about themselves? Hitler said the same thing about them

    A Jew should and must make a false oath when the Goyim asks if our
    books contain anything against them.

    Szaaloth-Utszabot, The Book of Jore Dia 17 [So, we have a conspiracy to lie to the entire world[/b]

    The Feast of Tabernacles is the period when Israel triumphs over the
    other people of the world. That is why during this feast we seize the
    loulab and carry it as a trophy to show that we have conquered all
    other peoples, known as "populace"...

    Zohar, Toldoth Noah 63b So, they desire WORLD DOMINATION, do they?

    When the Messiah comes every Jew will have 2800 slaves.

    Simeon Haddarsen, fol. 56-D They intend to make SOMEbody their slaves. I wonder WHO? Shouldn't somebody ASK them about this?

    When a Jew has a Gentile in his clutches, another Jew may go to the
    same Gentile, lend him money and in turn deceive him, so that the
    Gentile shall be ruined. For the property of a Gentile, according to
    our law, belongs to no one, and the first Jew that passes has full
    right to seize it.

    Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 156 Who NEEDS the "Protocols" to dislike them? THIS is worse and FAR older. They've been plotting this for millennia

    If it can be proven that someone has given the money of Israelites to
    the Goyim, a way must be found after prudent consideration to wipe
    him off the face of the earth.

    Choschen Hamm 388, 15 ****. Such venom for ALL OTHERS

    The estates of the Goys are like wilderness, who first settles in
    them has a right to them.

    Baba Bathra, 14?b TOTAL disregard for ALL other people of the earth. Wow. This reads like a killer cult, not a "religion"

    Happy will be the lost of Israel, whom the Holy One, blessed be He,
    has chosen from amongst the Goyim, of whom the Scriptures say: "Their
    work is but vanity, it is an illusion at which we must laugh; they
    will all perish when God visits them in His wrath."

    At the moment when the Holy One, blessed be He, will exterminate all
    the Goyim of the world, Israel alone will subsist, even as it is
    written: "The Lord alone will appear great on that day! . . .

    Zohar, Vayshlah 177b WOW, again. They pray for all of our deaths. Everyone in the world. Wow. And, they were thinking this CENTURIES before Hitler's silly ***

    "The modern Jew is the product of the Talmud..."

    "Babylonian Talmud", published by the Boston Talmud Society, p. XII
    The Jews refer to the remainder of Earths inhabitants, the non-Jewish peoples, as "Gentiles", "Goyim". Let's see what the Jewish Talmud teaches the Jews concerning the non-Jewish majority, i.e. those who are not part of Jahve's "Chosen People":

    "The Jews are called human beings, but the non-Jews are not humans. They are beasts."

    Talmud: Baba mezia, 114b Repeat after me: "There is NO SUCH THING as an 'Anti-Semite', they have hated EVERYONE for thousands of years". If anything, THEY are 'Anti-Semetic' because they hate Arabs - and, everybody

    "The Akum (non-Jew) is like a dog. Yes, the scripture teaches to honor the the dog more than the non-Jew."

    Ereget Raschi Erod. 22 30 Repeat after me: "There is NO SUCH THING as an 'Anti-Semite'

    "Even though God created the non-Jew they are still animals in human form. It is not becoming for a Jew to be served by an animal. Therfore he will be served by animals in human form."

    Midrasch Talpioth, p. 255, Warsaw 1855 Repeat after me: "There is NO SUCH THING as an 'Anti-Semite'

    "A pregnant non-Jew is no better than a pregnant animal."

    Coschen hamischpat 405 Repeat after me: "There is NO SUCH THING as an 'Anti-Semite'

    "The souls of non-Jews come from impure sprits and are called pigs."

    Jalkut Rubeni gadol 12b Repeat after me: "There is NO SUCH THING as an 'Anti-Semite'

    "Although the non-Jew has the same body structure as the Jew, they compare with the Jew like a monkey to a human."

    Schene luchoth haberith, p. 250 b Repeat after me: "There is NO SUCH THING as an 'Anti-Semite'

    "If you eat with a Gentile, it is the same as eating with a dog."

    Tosapoth, Jebamoth 94b Repeat after me: "There is NO SUCH THING as an 'Anti-Semite'

    "If a Jew has a non-Jewish servant or maid who dies, one should not express sympathy to the Jew. You should tell the Jew: "God will replace 'your loss', just as if one of his oxen or ***** had died"."

    Jore dea 377, 1 Repeat after me: "There is NO SUCH THING as an 'Anti-Semite'

    "Sexual intercourse between Gentiles is like intercourse between animals."

    Talmud Sanhedrin 74b Repeat after me: "There is NO SUCH THING as an 'Anti-Semite'

    "It is permitted to take the body and the life of a Gentile."

    Sepher ikkarim III c 25 Repeat after me: "There is NO SUCH THING as an 'Anti-Semite'

    "It is the law to kill anyone who denies the Torah. The Christians belong to the denying ones of the Torah."

    Coschen hamischpat 425 Hagah 425. 5 Repeat after me: "There is NO SUCH THING as an 'Anti-Semite'

    "A heretic Gentile you may kill outright with your own hands."

    Talmud, Abodah Zara, 4b Repeat after me: "There is NO SUCH THING as an 'Anti-Semite'

    "Every Jew, who spills the blood of the godless (non-Jews), is doing the same as making a sacrifice to God."

    Talmud: Bammidber raba c 21 & Jalkut 772 Repeat after me: "There is NO SUCH THING as an 'Anti-Semite'

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    tigre35 Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    Below are some recent pictures showing Jews and Muslems hand to hand in
    prtoest of Zionism. For all the people that cannot, or refuse to see the Zionist
    problem. Zionism is a faction of extremism, a group of Jewish religionists
    (or have the zionists used the name of Jews as a cover, as a lot of Jews
    proclaim??) that seperated themselves from Judaism to become Zionists.

    The Zionists have an agenda that is self perpetuated in power and control, the
    problem is, it is not a power for the good of all mankind. Control is the key
    word, with tyranny and dictatorship. The religion of the Zionists is partially
    self written for their own personal beliefs and to fulfill their own self created
    agenda. They are in control.

    For all the people that refuse to belive the world is governed by Zionists, then
    search and research the leaders of the biggest corporations, the government,
    military, secret societies, pharmaseuticals, media TV and radio, publications,
    banking, food distribution and production, infact, virtually everything!!

    It may
    not be so easy to determine a Zionist connection, but a very sure pattern will
    emerge. Now ask yourself why you don't hear or see in the media, any of the
    stories and events (there are many) of those shown below, it is due to Zionist
    cencorship within all media!! If some of the Jewish people themselves can see
    what their renegade brethren are doing, and making public knowledge of the
    fact, then it is now time for you all to wake up!!









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    tigre35 Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    Rabbi Yisroel P. Feldman

    Remarks Delivered by Rabbi Yisroel P. Feldman
    of Neturei Karta International

    At the Islamic Association for Palestine (IAP) Fifth Annual Convention
    Saturday December 22, 2001, Chicago IL (Palestine Open Files Program)

    May the Creator of the world grant His blessings upon this gathering, and may He grant that my words find favor in His eyes, Amen.

    Peace be upon you. It is a great honor to address this gathering, as a representative of Neturei Karta International.

    To all too many Muslims and Jews throughout the world, to all too many Israelis and Palestinians (of whatever ideology), the notion of a Jew attending this conference, or of a Jew speaking at this conference would seem bizarre.

    The novelty would be accentuated to them given that we are clearly Orthodox Jews, and the media are very fond of telling us, that it is the Orthodox, who are the most insensitive to the plight of the Palestinian people.

    These simplistic and utterly false notions are nothing more than a testimony, to the near absolute domination of all major media in America by the forces of Zionism.

    Let us state certain elementary truths.

    We, Torah believing Jews, have been waging the struggle against Zionism and Zionists, long before the arrival of this ill conceived movement in the Holy Land . Before shots were fired, before land was taken over, before any of the Zionist crimes against the Palestinian people had been committed, we were locked in a titanic battle with this heretical movement across the length of Europe.

    Torah leaders, learned rabbis and pious layman understood, that Zionism was a utter rejection of Judaism. They saw it as denying, the Jewish faith in Divine redemption, and of the reward and punishment of our people. They saw it as conceived by irreligious Jews, and leading to a loss of Jewish faith by the vast majority who adopted its doctrines.

    Torah leaders issued proclamations and authored books, exposing Zionism for what it really was. All this, I say, took place before the movement's arrival in and eventual take over, of the Holy land .

    In Palestine itself, many of the Orthodox Jews remained firm in their opposition to the movement and refused to recognize the state or accept any government monies from it.

    But our concern today is not our Torah struggle against the Zionists. It is our wish to express to the Palestinian people our sympathy for their plight and support for their cause.

    We did not commit the crimes of the Israeli state against the Palestinians.

    We have opposed these horrors every step of the way.

    These crimes were done by Jews much estranged from their faith.

    Yet, the crimes have been done by Jews.

    Therefore, we have come here today with a simple message. We of Neturei Karta are not powerful but whatever power we have is pledged to right the wrongs of Zionism.

    We wish to state unequivocally our support for the Palestinian right of return with full reparations.

    We wish to state our support for Palestinian self determination and sovereignty over all of Palestine . We would be pleased if this future Palestinian government would allow a certain number of Jews to continue to live there, as loyal citizens in their state but that is their decision.

    Sadly this position is not shared by the Israeli state.

    Thus it is our task to tell the world that the state does not represent the Torah or the Torah true Jewish people.

    We desire peace between. Muslim and Jew.

    The quarrel today is not between Judaism and Islam. It is not between believers of two different, but in many areas, similar faiths.

    It is between the legitimate rights of the Palestinian people and the cruel Zionist regime.

    For believing Jews, schooled in morality and fairness, the choice is not a difficult one.

    May the Creator o the world grant that the state of Israel be peacefully dismantled and Muslims and Jews live together, forever in peace.

    A salam aleikhim

    And, I like these guys:


    From the inception of the Zionist State and particularly in recent times, the impression has been created in the World that there is some connection between the State, which falsely calls itself Israel, and the Jewish people as a whole. Therefore, we who continue to uphold the never-changing tradition of the Jewish people find it proper to again clarify the following points:

    A Jew is one who remains faithful to the laws of the Jewish religion, that is, the Holy Torah and its commandments.

    The Jewish people became a people before they had their own land, and continued to exist as a people also after they went Into exile, because our very peoplehood is based exclusively on the Torah.

    The Holy Land was given to the Jewish people on the condition that they observe the Torah and its commandments. When they failed to do this, their sovereignty over the land was taken from them, and they went into exile. From that time, we are prohibited by the Torah with a very grave prohibition to establish a Jewish independent sovereignty in the Holy Land or anywhere throughout the world. Rather, we are obligated to be loyal to the nations under whose protection we dwell.

    This situation has existed for close to 2000 years when the Jewish people were dispersed throughout all corners of the world. During this time, the Jews always remained faithful to the country in which they lived.

    The Jewish people are grateful to all those merciful nations which have allowed them to observe Torah and the commandments undisturbed.

    From ancient times, the relations between the Jewish and Islamic peoples have always been those of peace and brotherhood, and friendship always reigned between them. The proof of this is the fact that for centuries, in all the Arab lands, hundreds of thousands of Jews lived in honor and amidst mutual esteem.


    Satmar Grand Rebbe Joel Teitelbaum

    Until about two hundred years ago, the vast majority of Jews observed the Torah and the commandments in entirety. Jewry's leaders were Torah scholars, who directed the people according to the Torah. They were loyal citizens in the host nations where they dwelled and to the local laws. They prayed for the welfare of their respective governments. To our sorrow, at that time a small number of Jews slowly left their observance of Torah and commandments. Together with this, they began to deride the spiritual leadership of their people. This assimilation was the basis upon which, one hundred years ago, the ideology of Zionism was born. Its founders were assimilated Jews who had abandoned the Torah.

    Immediately at the founding of the Zionist movement, masses of Jews under the leadership of their Rabbis, launched a heavy battle against Zionism. Their attack was directed not only at the non-religious Zionist idea, but rather, primarily at its opposition to the Torah-ordained path that Jewry must follow while in exile. As such, the Zionists incited the nations of the world, demanding political sovereignty over the Holy Land while remaining oblivious to the resentment this would arouse In the Palestinian Arabs, the land's veteran inhabitants. As stated, the leaders of Orthodox Jewry vehemently opposed the movement with all force.

    Until about two hundred years ago, the vast majority of Jews observed the Torah and the commandments in entirety. Jewry's leaders were Torah scholars, who directed the people according to the Torah. They were loyal citizens in the host nations where they dwelled and to the local laws. They prayed for the welfare of their respective governments. To our sorrow, at that time a small number of Jews slowly left their observance of Torah and commandments. Together with this, they began to deride the spiritual leadership of their people. This assimilation was the basis upon which, one hundred years ago, the ideology of Zionism was born. Its founders were assimilated Jews who had abandoned the Torah.

    Immediately at the founding of the Zionist movement, masses of Jews under the leadership of their Rabbis, launched a heavy battle against Zionism. Their attack was directed not only at the non-religious Zionist idea, but rather, primarily at its opposition to the Torah-ordained path that Jewry must follow while in exile. As such, the Zionists incited the nations of the world, demanding political sovereignty over the Holy Land while remaining oblivious to the resentment this would arouse In the Palestinian Arabs, the land's veteran inhabitants. As stated, the leaders of Orthodox Jewry vehemently opposed the movement with all force.

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    I've Read LOTS Of This Kind Of Stuff From Rabbis:


    Article by Rabbi Gedalya Liebermann - Australia

    Zionists Offer a Military Alliance with Hitler (imagine that...)

    It would be wishful thinking if it could be stated that the leaders of the Zionist movement sat back and ignored the plight of their dying brothers and sisters. Not only did they publicly refuse to assist in their rescue, but they actively participated with Hitler and the Nazi regime. Early in 1935, a passenger ship bound for Haifa in Palestine left the German port of Bremerhaven.

    Its stern bore the Hebrew letter for its name, "Tel Aviv", while a swastika banner fluttered from the mast. And although the ship was Zionist owned, its captain was a National Socialist Party (Nazi) member. Many years later a traveler aboard the ship recalled this symbolic combination as a "metaphysical absurdity".

    Absurd or not, this is but one vignette from a little-known chapter of history: The wide ranging collaboration between Zionism and Hitler's Third Reich. In early January 1941 a small but important Zionist organization submitted a formal proposal to German diplomats in Beirut for a military-political alliance with wartime Germany. The offer was made by the radical underground "Fighters for the Freedom of Israel", better known as the Lehi or Stern Gang.

    Its leader, Avraham Stern, had recently broken with the radical nationalist "National Military Organization" (Irgun Zvai Leumi - Etzel) over the group's attitude toward Britain, which had effectively banned further Jewish settlement of Palestine. Stern regarded Britain as the main enemy of Zionism.

    This remarkable proposal "for the solution of the Jewish question in Europe and the active participation on the NMO [Lehi] in the war on the side of Germany" is worth quoting at some length:

    "The NMO which is very familiar with the goodwill of the German Reich government and its officials towards Zionist activities within Germany and the Zionist emigration program takes the view that:

    1.Common interests can exist between a European New Order based on the German concept and the true national aspirations of the Jewish people as embodied by the NMO. 2.Cooperation is possible between the New Germany and a renewed, folkish-national Jewry. 3.The establishment of the Jewish state on a national and totalitarian basis, and bound by treaty, with the German Reich, would be in the interest of maintaining and strengthening the future German position of power in the Near East.

    "On the basis of these considerations, and upon the condition that the German Reich government recognize the national aspirations of the Israel Freedom Movement mentioned above, the NMO in Palestine offers to actively take part in the war on the side of Germany.

    "This offer by the NMO could include military, political and informational activity within Palestine and, after certain organizational measures, outside as well. Along with this the "Jewish" men of Europe would be militarily trained and organized in military units under the leadership and command of the NMO. They would take part in combat operations for the purpose of conquering Palestine, should such a front be formed.

    "The indirect participation of the Israel Freedom Movement in the New Order of Europe, already in the preparatory stage, combined with a positive-radical solution of the European-Jewish problem on the basis of the national aspirations of the Jewish people mentioned above, would greatly strengthen the moral foundation of the New Order in the eyes of all humanity.

    "The cooperation of the Israel Freedom Movement would also be consistent with a recent speech by the German Reich Chancellor, in which Hitler stressed that he would utilize any combination and coalition in order to isolate and defeat England".

    (Original document in German Auswertiges Amt Archiv, Bestand 47-59, E224152 and E234155-58. Complete original text published in: David Yisraeli, The Palestinian Problem in German Politics 1889-1945 (Israel: 1947) pp. 315-317).
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    tigre35 Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    Jews Against the Occupation

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    We as American Jews reject the Israeli government assertion that it is "necessary" to subjugate Palestinians for the sake of keeping Jews safe. We assert that security can only come from mutual respect, and that the occupation of Palestine is only worsening the position of Jews in the Middle East and around the world.


    The Israeli military fires bone-crushing rubber bullets and live ammunition at unarmed Palestinian civilians engaged in peaceful protest, failing to distinguish between peaceful and violent resistance. The Israeli government has been demolishing Palestinian houses and crops in the Occupied Territories, while allowing Jewish settlers -- many of them American -- to illegally occupy the same land.


    The U.S. government provides more aid to Israel than to any other country—the vast majority of this is for military purposes. Billions of U.S. taxpayer dollars have propped up the occupation and fueled the Israeli government’s war machine (as well as disguising the occupation’s true cost). This aid must end.


    The Israeli government has attacked the Palestinian economy by: closing Palestinian banks; imposing extreme taxes on business; withdrawing operating licenses; destroying industrial equipment; bulldozing farmland and banning fishing; restricting workers' movement; controlling the export of Palestinian goods; closing the borders of the Occupied Territories; and refusing to fund infrastructure like water and electricity -- even in Arab villages within Israel.


    Thousands of Palestinians were driven out of their houses and off of their farms during and after the creation of Israel. They must be allowed to return to their homeland.


    Jews Against the Occupation stands firmly against anti-Semitism and racism in all its forms. We see our historical struggle against anti- Semitism--a cornerstone of European white supremacist ideology--as inherently linked to all struggles against oppression. We therefore stand in solidarity with the Palestinian people in their struggle for freedom.

    Judaism is a cultural and religious identity, which must not be equated with Zionism, a political movement. Criticism of the state of Israel, its policies, or the idea of a Jewish state does not by itself constitute anti-Semitism. Dismissing critics of Israel or of Zionism as "anti-Semitic" is a means of stifling debate and masking the impact of the occupation.

    Here is a different Jewish group:

    A Jewish Voice for Peace is a diverse and democratic community of activists inspired by Jewish tradition to work together for peace, social justice, and human rights. We support the aspirations of Israelis and Palestinians for security and self-determination.

    We seek:

    A U.S. foreign policy based on promoting peace, democracy, human rights, and
    respect for international law

    An end to the Israeli occupation of the West Bank, the Gaza Strip, and East

    A resolution of the Palestinian refugee problem consistent with international
    law and equity

    An end to all violence against civilians

    Peace among the peoples of the Middle East
    We are among the many American Jews who say to the U.S. and Israeli governments: "Not in our names!"

    JVP supports peace activists in Palestine and Israel, and works in broad coalition with other Jewish, Arab-American, faith-based, peace and social justice organizations.


    U.S. foreign policy must promote democracy and human rights. The United States must stop supporting repressive governments in Israel and elsewhere. The United States must cease interfering with international efforts to resolve the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

    U.S. military aid to Israel must be suspended until the occupation ends. This aid enables the occupation and contributes to the devastation of Palestinian society. It belies the U.S. claim to be a neutral broker, and fosters militarism here and in Israel.


    Israelis and Palestinians have the right to security, sovereignty, and self-determination within political entities of their own choosing.

    Israel must end its occupation of the West Bank, Gaza Strip, and East Jerusalem, completely withdraw from these Occupied Territories and relinquish all its settlements, military outposts and by-pass roads.

    Jerusalem has to be shared in a manner that reflects its spiritual, economic, and political importance to both Israelis and Palestinians, as well as to all Jews, Muslims and Christians.

    The plight of Palestinian refugees needs to be resolved equitably and in a manner that promotes peace and is consistent with international law. Within the framework of an equitable agreement, the refugees should have a role in determining their future, whether pursuing return, resettlement, or financial compensation. Israel should recognize its share of responsibility for the ongoing refugee crisis and for its resolution.