Black Christians : Body, Soul, and Spirit

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    According to Christian teachings, man is also comprised of a "trinity": body, soul and spirit.

    So, what's the difference between "Soul" and "Spirit?"
     
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    Hotep Sister:

    I would say that the trinity is body, mind and spirit...

    spirit and soul are actually synonyms

    body is the pysical temple which houses ur spirit

    mind is ur perception of the world.... the brain is only a muscle in ur head that stores information like a computer

    spirit is ur soul ... the conscious light within

    this is my understanding....

    nuff respect
     
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    Soul and Spirit: Separate Entitities

    There is an idea also that prevails largely today that man consists of only two component parts: namely, body and spirit. In the thinking of the writer this view appears to be one that might create confusion in the minds of any Christians. While soul and spirit are so closely related that it is sometimes difficult to distinguish accurately between them, there seems to be only one logical conclusion: namely, that “soul” and “spirit” are not the same. The Bible does make a distinction.

    The two following passages from the Bible clearly establish the fact that man is a triune being composed of spirit, soul, and body:

    I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ (1 Thessalonians 5:23).

    For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow (body), and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart (Hebrews 4:12).
     
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    Most of the bible is based on the teachings of Kemet...

    the ba and the ka..

    The Ka:

    The Ka is perhaps one of the most difficult concepts to describe for there is no clear modern translation for this word. Essentially it appears to mean "double" as well as "vital force" and is a clear reference to a part of the individual that transcends the death of the physical body. Egyptologist Richard Wilkinson explains that "in all periods it is used as a term for the creative and sustaining power of life" (Wilkinson 1992.49). The Ka also came to be seen as a symbol of intellectual and spiritual power (Lurker 1980.73). As such, the essential meaning behind this concept is one of vitality and energy inherit in all living things. The hieroglyph for the Ka is two arms raised almost as if mirroring each other. This glyph, used as an amulet, was worn to preserve the life force of the wearer (Lurker 1980.73). Interestingly, after the physical body, it is the Ka that is closest to the physical world and is the essence of the self that absorbs the energy of the offerings left during ritual and at the tombs.

    In mythology it is the ram-headed Neter Khnum who fashions the Ka of each individual. One text from Luxor shows the prince Amenhetep III on a potter's wheel with his Ka as Khnum creates these, while the Goddess Hwt-Hrw looks on bestowing life in the form of an Ankh on the young prince (Lurker 1980.74). John Anthony West states that the "Ka is the power that fixes and makes individual the animating spirit" (West 1985.64). In this context we can see that the Ka becomes the bridge between the spiritual self and the physical realm.

    In examining the texts it quickly becomes clear that the Neteru themselves were felt to possess a Ka. Egyptologist Dimitri Meeks explains that the vital force that the ancients ascribed to the Ka acts in such a way as to give each Neter the ability to take creative form infinitely (Meeks 1996.71). Because of this ability, it was this essence, the energy of the Neter's Ka, which was felt to temporally inhabit statues and other magical images during ritual. Further this concept helps to explain how a Neter may express itself, making its presence felt in any number of places at the same time.




    The Ba:

    From the Ka we move on to the closely related doctrine of the Ba. Most Egyptologists refer to the Ba as being similar in meaning to the modern concept of the soul. However, this is an understatement. In fact, it is best understood as meaning "spiritual manifestation." In the earlier Egyptian texts the term Ba was used to signify the esoteric or hidden essence of the Neteru (Lurker 1980.31). In this respect it isn't uncommon to find one Neter as representing the spiritual manifestation of another. We see this in such examples as Ausir being perceived as a Ba of Ra, the Benu bird as a Ba of Ra, and the Apis Bull as the Ba of Ptah (Lurker 1980.31, Wilkinson 1992.99). In such cases these representations give us a clue into the deeper nature of the Neteru being discussed in the texts.

    In relation to the human experience Richard Wilkinson explains that "the ba was a spiritual aspect of the human being which survived - or came into being - at death, and which was imbued with the fulness of a person's individuality" (Wilkinson 1992.99). In this regard the Ba of an individual is portrayed in Ancient Egyptian religion as having the head of a human and the body of a bird - usually a falcon. In practice it is this form, this spiritual body of the individual/magician, which travels between the different worlds or spiritual realms.



    this would be the difference of the ba and ka.....

    aka having the holy ghost and being a vessel in which the holy ghost can use.

    but i would have to stand firm with the understanding the the trininty is mind, body and spirit.....

    which can minifest and have many meaning..

    one being mother, father and child....

    male element, female element thus creating a child
     
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    The Spirit

    The Spirit

    The word “spirit” when used in the Scriptures has several meanings. Whenever the word “Spirit” appears used with a capital letter, it has but one meaning. It is the name of the third Person of the Trinity, the Holy Spirit of God. The word “spirit” spelled with a small letter may have one of several different meanings. It can have direct reference to the spirit of man which is as much a part of the tripartite nature of man as the Spirit of the living God is a Person of the Holy Trinity. Or it can indicate an evil spirit such as any agent of the Devil. We will confine ourselves here to the Biblical usage of the word only as it relates to the spirit of man, one of the three constituent parts of his being.

    The threefold nature of man might be illustrated in several ways. Dr. Clarence Larkin uses three circles (Rightly Dividing The Word, page 86). The outer circle stands for the body of man, the middle circle for the soul, and the inner for the spirit. At this point it will be well to quote a portion from Dr. Larkin’s book:

    In the outer circle the ‘Body’ is shown as touching the Material world through the five senses of ‘Sight,’ ‘Smell,’ ‘Hearing,’ ‘Taste’ and ‘Touch.’

    The Gates to the ‘Soul’ are ‘Imagination,’ ‘Conscience,’ ‘Memory,’ ‘Reason’ and the ‘Affections.’

    The “Spirit” receives impressions of outward and material things through the soul. The spiritual faculties of the ‘Spirit’ are ‘Faith,’ ‘Hope,’ ‘Reverence,’ ‘Prayer’ and ‘Worship.’

    In his unfallen state the ‘Spirit’ of man was illuminated from Heaven, but when the human race fell in Adam, sin closed the window of the Spirit, pulled down the curtain, and the chamber of the spirit became a death chamber and remains so in every unregenerate heart, until the Life and Light giving power of the Holy Spirit floods that chamber with the Life and Light giving power of the new life in Christ Jesus.
     
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    The Soul

    The Soul

    Man not only has a living soul but he is a living soul. The Bible says: “And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and man became a living soul” (Genesis 2:7). We must be careful not to confound that which is truly spiritual and that which is merely soulish or psychical. We have seen that the spirit of man is the sphere of activity where the Holy Spirit operates in regeneration. Just so is the soul the sphere of activity where Satan operates making his appeal to the affections and emotions of man.

    Satan knows full well that he dominates the psychical or the soulish man. Therefore he does not care if a man goes to a church where the Spirit of God is not in evidence. He knows that his victim is a creature of emotions, and it matters not if the emotions are stirred to sentimentalism or even to tears, just so long as man’s spirit does not come in contact with God’s Holy Spirit. Personally, I believe that Satan would rather have man go to a modernistic church where there is false worship than he would have him go to a house of prostitution. The soul is the seat of the passions, the feelings, and the desires of man; and Satan is satisfied if he can master these. F. W. Grant has said that the soul is the seat of the affections, right or wrong, of love, hate, lusts, and even the appetites of the body.

    Hamor said to Jacob, “The soul of my son Shechem longeth for your daughter” (Genesis 34:8). Of David and Jonathan it is written: “The soul of Jonathan was knit with the soul of David, and Jonathan loved him as his own soul” (1 Samuel 18:1). These passages show the soul to be the seat of the affections. But as the soul loves, so it also hates. We read of those “that are hated of David’s soul” (2 Samuel 5:8).

    It is in the soul where fleshly lusts, desires, and appetites arise:

    Abstain from fleshly lusts which war against the soul (Peter 2:11).

    As cold waters to a thirsty soul, so is good news from a far country (Proverbs 25:25).

    It shall be even as when a hungry man dreameth, and behold, he eateth; but he awaketh, and his soul is empty; or as when a thirsty man dreameth, and behold, he drinketh; but he awaketh, and behold, he is faint, and his soul hath appetite (Isaiah 29:8).

    The soul of man, that is, his affections and desires, are never directed Godward until after the spirit has become regenerated. Man can never love God nor the things of God until he is born from above. He may have a troubled conscience or be so stirred emotionally that he may weep bitterly, and still remain dead in trespasses and in sins. We do not feel that we are guilty of judging men when we state that some who have answered an altar call and shed tears never were born again. Man’s desires and affections are turned toward God when he realizes his sinful condition and God’s grace in salvation. When the Spirit of God illuminates the spirit of a man with divine light and life, that man begins to yield his affections and faculties to God.
     
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    These are some very good and original thoughts. I agree with alot of it. I just thought I would give my understanding and the way I was taught about the mind, spirit, and soul.

    The brain does not think. The brain assists in thinking. If you put a brain alone by itself it cant do nothing. Your soul is the entity that holds information and will be with you when your human physical body dies. It really is you in a big way. The soul has alot to do with the divine caring and love type of emotions.
    I was taught that your spirit is in your blood. A person that truly is following their spirit has no hesitation whether that spirit be good or bad. It houses the soul but I think can be an entity on its own. Your spirit works with your blood type and blood condition and if thought of as an entity by itself can be seen as a personal angel. A person with a bad spirit can have their soul neglected by the way of individual selfishness.
    Your mind would be the combination of brain, soul, and spirit since they all have part in ones actions.
     
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    To: Miss Lady


    As I've said before, I am not ignorant of Kemetic spirituality. This is a poem I wrote some time ago about the nine principles of "right living."


    Strive for abstention
    And "right intention" (1)

    As in a noble mind wrought
    With "right thought" (2)

    Be careful to teach
    Employed with "right speech" (3)

    Let wits never desert
    Instilling "right effort" (4)

    With whole not by fraction
    Applying "right acton" (5)

    Receiving by giving
    Through "right living" (6)

    Unfeared mortality
    With "right reality" (7)

    Never doubting but commanding
    Assured "right understanding" (8)

    Never to foolishness succumb
    Adhering to "right wisdom" (9)

    For a bygone people
    Numbers played a major role
    Every aspect under digit control
    As 9 parts even divided one's soul

    Back then, even the much maligned 13
    Wasn't deemed obscene
    But rather denoted Re-Birth
    It was only later when other men
    Changed its worth

    These are the Nine Principles of Right
    Many embraced and met
    A living, daily reminder not to forget
    And today, many religions and civilizations
    Are patterened after
    The spirituality....Of ancient Kemet. ​

    So, I am, respectfully, asking you to peruse these areas and ask yourself what your purpose is here in the Christianity sub-forum.
     
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    ALSO....

    Please ask yourself the same question as you review the virtues of Maat:

    (1). Control of thoughts
    (2). Control of actions
    (3). Devotion of purpose
    (4). Have faith in the ability of [your] [teacher] to teach [you] the truth.
    (5). Have faith in [yourself] to assimilate the truth
    (6). Have faith in [themselves] to wield the truth
    (7). Be free from resentment under the experience of persecution.
    (8). Be free from resentment under the experience of wrong.
    (9). Cultivate the ability to distinguish between right and wrong and
    (10). Cultivate the ability to distinguish between the real and the unreal

    Again, why are you here in the Christianity sub-forum?

     
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    Soul vs Spirit

    The Virgin Mary said; “My soul doth magnify the Lord, And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour” (Luke 1:46, 47). She could not extol the Lord in her soul until she had recognized God in her spirit as her Saviour. The initial triumph is in the spirit when Jesus Christ is acknowledged as personal Saviour.

    In that immortal classic of the Psalms, David says: “He restoreth my soul” (Psalm 23:3). The Hebrew word translated “restoreth” is said to mean quite literally “turneth back.” At no time had David lost his salvation, but there were times when his affections and desires were turned from the Lord, as in the case of his sin with Bathsheba. Having become one of the Divine Shepherd’s flock, he testified: “The Lord turneth back my soul.” The Christian who is enjoying unbroken communion with his Lord will then be able to say, “Bless the Lord, O my soul, and all that is within me, bless His holy name” (Psalm 103:1).
     
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