"So in the end, I don't believe we will EVER have equal outcomes - Whites will always have more economically desirable and prestigious roles than non-Whites, men will always have more economically desirable and prestigious roles than women IN A CIVILIZED society. Any attempt to buck this end result will ultimately remove the civilized aspect from society. " http://www.askmen.com/message_boards/index.html Have become rather interested in what's going on in other message boards. Thought you'd be interested in this Panaf....although this one has never claimed to be a black site. Or one that believes in equality for that matter.