Brother AACOOLDRE : Blacks were Double victims of Holocaust

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    AACOOLDRE Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    Even though we are never mentioned in public discussions, black people were double victims in the Jewish Holocaust in the late 1930’s and early 1940’s. first we were victims of Nazi war crimes just like Jews were. Yet, blacks as holocaust victims remain one of the world’s best kept secrets of recent history. Everybody is mentioned in the Nazi crematories: Gyspies, gays, swingers (whites who like Jazz and niggaa dancing. But in history everybody thinks only white Jews went through hot ovens on Hitler’s orders. As quiet as it is kept, black people lived in Germany before, during and after the Jewish Holocaust. And through those three periods of times white German women went bonkers over the black man. As far back as World War 1, many blacks had been recruited into the German army from its African colonies. Others had later migrated to Germany. Blacks in North Africa and the German colonies were also killed and forced into labor camps to produce war materials and supplies.

    Nazi Germans hated and perceived blacks to be an inferior race of people. Blacks were arrested, persecuted, placed in German concentration camps and executed prior to and during WW II. When the Jewish Holocaust began, black Germans were also targets, but unlike Jews, they fought hard against the mounting Nazism. For example, a black German named Lari Giles, was murdered by the Nazi SS police for the role that he played in leading a resistance group in his hometown of Dusseldorf.

    The unstoppable Black Tanks units were the first to reach the infamous Dachau Concentration camp. Black Colonel Simmons tells how his unit personally drove their tanks through the concentration camp’s barbed wire fences and thick walls. Once inside, Colonel Simmons discovered one of the world’s best kept secrets. Of the approximately 9,000 prisoners in the extermination camp, nearly 6,000 were mulatto blacks. Only 3,000 were Jews. Simmons said the bodies coming out of the gas chambers were stacked up like cords of wood and some of the bodies on the bottom were still moving. Okay Hollywood when you gonna tell this true story in your propaganda films-and that’s real talk. Many students in our high schools only think 6 million Jews died in WWII because they have been conditioned to sympathized only for the humanity of the suffering of Jews and think Slavery benefited blacks.

    More than three million blacks were registered in the United States military during World War II. Blacks served and died as front line combat soldiers, pilots and support personnel but justice and recognition continue to elude them. The holocaust accounts have focused on religious, not racial persecutions. Blacks died with and for Jews. But you don’t hear that or read it. Yet, as victims or soldiers, they remain an after-thought. Blacks have received none of the more than 52 billion paid to Holocaust victims since the end of World War II.
  2. Kadijah

    Kadijah Banned MEMBER

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    A, I'm a student of the Third Reich and WWII. Hmm.... on the subject of the Holocaust, I hardly know where to begin.

    Well, #1. Jews try to appropriate the title "Holocaust" for their attempted genocide in WWII (1938-45?). While the name "holocaust" was indeed, coined by a Jew, he coined it for the ARMENIAN people whom Turkey attempted genocide upon in WWI!

    Secondly, the "Jewish Holocaust" (along with others, particularly the Gypsies... btw, Germans putting homosexuals in the camps is totally suspect - most of those interned as 'homosexual' were simply dissidents, heterosexual dissidents, against the Third Reich. It was a handy charge to level against troublesome people who broke no real laws.... as in, made sarcastic, or just plain witty remarks about the Nazi leadership that pointed out the absurdity of dark-haired Hitler talking about Aryans are "blond" or the barely 5 feet tall cripple talking about the ideal German being tall and athletic, or big, fat Goering (speaking of 'homosexuals') prancing around Nazi meetings in a "pink tutu and tights" - that's right, the little girl ballerina costume :rolleyes: . In fact, Hitler's entire personal guard was "homosexuals." As well as the Storm Troopers' leader (these names keep escaping me!) and Hitler's former b/f, as well as the rest of the Storm Trooper leadership almost all of whom were ADMITTED homosexuals and subsequently ordered murdered by Hitler during "the night of the long knives."

    See what I mean? It's hard to know so much about a subject without getting sidetracked by "detail.")

    Anyhoo, the first holocaust of the 20th century was NOT the Armenians by the Turks. The second holocaust was not the Jewish/Gypsy holocaust by the Germans. It was not, in fact, even Germany's FIRST attempt at the genocide of a people. No, the first holocaust of the 20th century AND Germany's first genocide was of the Herero people in present-day Namibia.

    Everything done to the Jews during WWII was "perfected" by the Germans on the Herero people. The Hereroes, in fact, suffered the additional fate of the Armenian people (Turks drove the Armenians into the desert to die of starvation and thirst; Germans did the exact same thing to the Hereroes, ALONG WITH starving and "medical" experimentation. In fact, the "doctor" who experimented on the Hereroes TAUGHT Josef Mengele, the "Angel of Death" at Auschwitz!)

    Emaciated and close to death: Some of the few Herero who escaped the 1907 genocide

    Read the thread below and weep for our people :10800::

    South Africa : - Dr. Frank Wilderson on Nelson Mandela, South Africa and Afro-Pessimism

    The real question to be answered: Do the majority of today's black south africans feel and think their current black president and the anc are...
  3. Kadijah

    Kadijah Banned MEMBER

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    The following article corroborates both of our posts, i.e., yours about mulatto Germans in concentration camps and mine about the Herero people:

    Black German Holocaust Victims

    So much of our history is lost to us because we often don't write the
    history books, don't film the documentaries, or don't pass the accounts down
    from generation to generation. One documentary now touring the film festival
    circuit, telling us to "Always Remember" is "Black Survivors of the
    Holocaust" (1997). Outside the U.S., the film is entitled "Hitler's
    Forgotten Victims" (Afro-Wisdom Productions). It codifies another
    dimension to the "Never Forget " Holocaust story-our dimension.

    Did you know that in the 1920s, there were 24,000 Blacks living in Germany?
    Neither did I. Here's how it happened, and how many of them were eventually
    caught unawares by the events of the Holocaust.

    Like most West European nations, Germany established colonies in Africa in
    the late 1800s in what later became Togo, Cameroon, SPAN Namibia and
    Tanzania. German genetic experiments began there, most notably involving
    prisoners taken from the 1904 Heroro Massacre that left 60,000 Africans
    dead, following a 4-year revolt against German colonization. After the
    shellacking Germany received in World War I, it was stripped of its African
    colonies in 1918.

    As a spoil of war, the French were allowed to occupy Germany in the
    Rhineland-a bitter piece of real estate that has gone back and forth between
    the two nations for centuries. The French willfully deployed their own
    colonized African soldiers as the occupying force. Germans viewed this as
    the final insult of World War I, and, soon thereafter, 92% of them voted in
    the Nazi party.

    Hundreds of the African Rhineland-based soldiers intermarried with German
    women and raised their children as Black Germans. In Mein Kampf, Hitler
    wrote about his plans for these "Rhineland Bastards". When he came to
    power, one of his first directives was aimed at these mixed-race children.
    Underscoring Hitler's obsession with racial purity, by 1937, every
    identified mixed-race child in the Rhineland had been forcibly sterilized,
    in order to prevent further "race polluting", as Hitler termed it.

    Hans Hauck, a Black Holocaust survivor and a victim of Hitler's mandatory
    sterilization program, explained in the film "Hitler's Forgotten Victims"
    that, when he was forced to undergo sterilization as a teenager, he was
    given no anaesthetic. Once he received his sterilization certificate, he was
    "free to go", so long as he agreed to have no sexual relations whatsoever
    with Germans.

    Although most Black Germans attempted to escape their fatherland, heading
    for France where people like Josephine Baker were steadily aiding and
    supporting the French Underground, many still encountered problems
    elsewhere. Nations shut their doors to Germans, including the Black ones.
    Some Black Germans were able to eke out a living during Hitler's reign of
    terror by performing in Vaudeville shows, but many Blacks, steadfast in
    their belief that they were German first, Black second, opted to remain in
    Germany. Some fought with the Nazis (a few even became Lutwaffe pilots)!

    Unfortunately, many Black Germans were arrested, charged with treason, and
    shipped in cattle cars to concentration camps. Often these trains were so
    packed with people and (equipped with no bathroom facilities or food), that,
    after the four-day journey, box car doors were opened to piles of the dead
    and dying. Once inside the concentration camps, Blacks were given the worst
    jobs conceivable. Some Black American soldiers, who were captured and held
    as prisoners of war, recounted that, while they were being starved and
    forced into dangerous labour (violating the Geneva Convention), they were
    still better off than Black German concentration camp detainees, who were
    forced to do the unthinkable-man the crematoriums and work in labs where
    genetic experiments were being conducted. As a final sacrifice, these
    Blacks were killed every three months so that they would never be able to
    reveal the inner workings of the "Final Solution".

    In every story of Black oppression, no matter how we were enslaved,
    shackled, or beaten, we always found a way to survive and to rescue others.
    As a case in point, consider Johnny Voste, a Belgian resistance fighter who
    was arrested in 1942 for alleged sabotage and then shipped to Dachau.
    One of his jobs was stacking vitamin crates. Risking his own life, he
    distributed hundreds of vitamins to camp detainees, which saved the lives of
    many who were starving, weak, and ill-conditions exacerbated by extreme
    vitamin deficiencies. His motto was "No, you can't have my life; I will fight for it."

    According to Essex University's Delroy Constantine-Simms, there were Black
    Germans who resisted Nazi Germany, such as Lari Gilges, who founded the
    Northwest Rann-an organization of entertainers that fought the Nazis in his
    home town of Dusseldorf-and who was murdered by the SS in 1933, the year
    that Hitler came into power.

    Little information remains about the numbers of Black Germans held in the
    camps or killed under the Nazi regime. Some victims of the Nazi
    sterilization project and Black survivors of the Holocaust are still alive
    and telling their story in films such as "Black Survivors of the Nazi
    Holocaust", but they must also speak out for justice, not just history.

    Unlike Jews (in Israel and in Germany), Black Germans receive no war
    reparations because their German citizenship was revoked (even though they
    were German-born). The only pension they get is from those of us who are
    willing to tell the world their stories and continue their battle for
    recognition and compensation.

    After the war, scores of Blacks who had somehow managed to survive the Nazi regime, were rounded up and tried as war criminals. Talk about the final insult! There are thousands of Black Holocaust stories, from the triangle
    trade, to slavery in America, to the gas ovens in Germany. We often shy away
    from hearing about our historical past because so much of it is painful;
    however, we are in this struggle together for rights, dignity, and, yes,
    reparations for wrongs done to us through the centuries. We need to always
    remember so that we can take steps to ensure that these atrocities never
    happen again.

    For further information, read: Destined to Witness: Growing Up Black in Nazi
    Germany, by Hans J. Massaquoi.


    The present-day German government has apologized to the surviving Hereroes but ADAMANTLY refuse to even consider "reparations".... such as are being paid to not only the surviving Jews of the WWII, but to their CHILDREN as well!!
  4. Kadijah

    Kadijah Banned MEMBER

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    Like I said, I'm a student of WWII. Which means I know a lil bit 'bout dem black soldiers spoken of in the OP. My contribution.... :)

    I was looking at a WWII program on TV. Lots of old dudes, old soldiers, talking about Omaha Beach and all the other fighting fields, tears in their eyes. Had a survivor of the Concentration Camps on, making the viewer tear up at his reminiscences of the last time he saw his parents and younger siblings, too young to work (for those really out of it - too young to work and you get gassed, as soon as you got off the train!)

    As I'm watching this program about a private WWII museum with panzer tanks and wax figures of Hitler, Gen. Patton, the British general who smashed Rommel in North Africa, concentration camp figures, etc., it dawns on me.... where are the black heroes of WWII? Did they "edit out" any mention by Elie Weisel, the most prominent Jewish man of letters alive today, of black soldiers liberating the concentration camp HE was interred in as a child - Buchenwald, one of the worst camps during the war? At any rate, seems that even in documentaries, black soldiers are left out as if they were mere cooks and latrine men, not worthy of mention.

    Documentaries are powerful if for no reason other than they show us images of people doing as well as 'talking/writing'. Thus, I present an "image" - behold its power!:


    An African American soldier of the 12th Armored Division, Seventh U.S. Army,
    stands guard over a group of Nazi prisoners captured in a German forest in April 1945.
  5. Kadijah

    Kadijah Banned MEMBER

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    Hey NNQueen! Betcha never seen anything like that picture before.... in your life!

    Betcha went "what the..." :11200:

    "oh my...." :SuN013:

    "WOW!!!" :SuN049::rofl: :lol:
  6. NNQueen

    NNQueen going above and beyond PREMIUM MEMBER

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    Keep the information coming,'re right, there's so much that I don't know. Wow! :read:

    I have to admit, though, sometimes the truth is difficult to handle because it can be so heart wrenching. I don't cower or shy away from learning the whole story about us, but I do weary sometimes when the plot never changes.
  7. Kadijah

    Kadijah Banned MEMBER

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    (remember when I wrote that after having to "re-visit" the attempted German genocide of the Hereroes that I wanted to throw rocks - not at windows, at heads?! I feel ya!)
  8. Kadijah

    Kadijah Banned MEMBER

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    Something else they don't "tell" us about: Blacks were not only "victims" of concentration camps, but Black Soldiers were LIBERATORS of Buchenwald Concentration Camp!

    Liberation of Buchenwald by African American Soldiers in WWII

    Some concentration camp survivors of WWII were freed by
    African American soliders who fought on "two fronts." This
    true story helps set the record straight.
    George Selby
    on Mar 5, 2012

    Magda Zelmanovics' Green Card - U.S. Government Photo
    Given all that has been written about World War II in the 67 years
    since it ended, it is probably safe to assume that most of us are
    familiar with the major events and outcomes of that cataclysmic
    event. However, for truly meaningful insight into the war’s long-term
    aftermath on a much more human level, one must look to lesser
    known yet equally profound events.

    These events reveal how:

    African American soldiers fought on two fronts at the same time;
    The war brought out the worst and best in people;
    We must be wary about attempts at historical revisionism
    In the last analysis, we are responsible for each other
    In April 1944, nearly a half-million Hungarian men, women, and
    children -- all of them Jewish – were forcibly removed from their
    homes, marched down the streets of their towns and cities to the
    local train depot, and from there shipped by cattle car to death
    camps and slave labor camps throughout Europe.


    Among these innocent people were 1,500 women and teenage girls
    who, with their families arrived at the infamous Auschwitz
    concentration camp in Poland. The iron work sign above the gate
    said Arbeit Macht Frei: “Work will set you free.” They were greeted
    by armed guards, attack dogs, and Dr. Joseph Mengele, the camp
    doctor. Dressed in a crisp, white uniform and carrying a riding crop,
    Mengele would decide who would live and who would die. Families
    were first separated by sex, and then by age and physical condition.
    With a flick of the riding crop, those who were too old, too young, or
    sickly were sent to gas chambers disguised as showers and then
    cremated in huge ovens, their ashes scattered near a river bank and
    visible to this day. As for the rest, they were sent to work as slave
    laborers in German factories, making munitions for the Nazi military.
    Having lost everything they held dear, the 1500 women and girls nex
    found themselves in the “heart of darkness;” the Buchenwald
    concentration camp located in the middle of Nazi Germany.


    Buchenwald was actually a system of camps and underground
    factories. On arrival, the women and girls were assigned to the
    Allendorf armaments factory buried deep beneath a mountain. Their
    job was to assemble German bombs. For the next year the women
    endured lice, typhus, malnutrition, lack of sunlight, exposure to
    chemicals so toxic it turned their hair green and shriveled their
    fingernails, and of course the ever present fear of sudden and violent

    But what you don’t hear about or read in history books is that the
    women fought back!

    Despite their deprivations and at risk of being shot on the spot, the
    women would randomly and intentionally install fuses into the bombs
    so the bombs would not explode. In other words, they would
    make “duds.”

    The hope was to save some Allied soldiers’ lives, shorten the war,
    and perhaps – as I believe -- to restore some of the dignity the
    Germans had stripped away.

    One morning, in mid-April 1945, the women awoke to discover that
    their guards had vanished in the middle of the night. They had fled in
    anticipation of the advancing American armies. Dazed and still fearful
    the Germans might return and kill them all, they stumbled out of the
    darkness into the daylight and suddenly realized what had happened.

    Their moment of liberation had arrived at last, for there, in front of
    them, were their “Liberators.” American soldiers!

    But, these were not just any American soldiers. These were Black
    soldiers. African American GI’s, or “colored” troops as they were
    called back then. They were part of the 183rd Combat Engineers --
    an all Black outfit -- attached to General George S. Patton’s 3rd

    The women had never seen a Black person before and would never
    forget the care and compassion these men – their Liberators --
    showed them in their hour of need. By the same token, the soldiers
    would never forget what they witnessed at Buchenwald.

    The irony of all this is that in WWII, the US Army was segregated.
    Black soldiers were assigned to all Black outfits commanded by
    White officers. White soldiers fought in all-White units.

    Black officers could not enter White officers’ clubs.

    And, shamefully, back home in the South, while on leave these
    American soldiers, these American citizens, still had to ride in the
    back of the bus – even while in uniform. Perhaps even more
    despicable, while under guard, German POWs were able to walk
    through the front doors of southern restaurants and eat like
    everyone else. In those same southern restaurants, Black American
    soldiers had to get their food at the back door.

    One of the first Black soldiers to enter Buchenwald, Sgt. Leon Bass,
    said, “I went into that camp an angry Black man because my
    country treated me as if I wasn’t good enough. But then I saw what
    had happened. I had seen the face of evil. It was racism, and it could
    happen to anyone.”


    Fast forward to 1992, 47-years after the war ended, and the US
    Army Center for Military History, in consultation with other groups,
    decided to redefine the term “Liberator,” and by doing so, based on
    a mere technicality (the 183rd Combat Engineers had been attached
    merely to an Army, but not a Division); the men of the 183rd
    Combat Engineers could no longer claim “Liberator” status.

    One of the teenage girls to survive Buchenwald was Magda
    Zelmanovics. Her “Green Card,” issued to her after the war, officially
    declared her a Displaced Person or DP. Although orphaned and
    enslaved at 14 and liberated at 15, she married at 16 and became a
    mother at 17. Such was the intense desire to start new families, to
    belong to someone, to return to some semblance of normalcy.

    Magda Zelmanovics had a baby boy named Georg Zelmanovics. With
    the Green Cards issued to them by the American military authorities
    in Europe, Magda, Rudolph (husband and father) and baby Georg
    sailed to Boston, Massachusetts about the troop ship, USS General
    Bundy, to begin life anew.

    For the next 60-years, Magda would tell her son Georg over and
    over, about the care and compassion shown to her and the other survivors
    by the men of the 183rd Combat Engineers. Her “Liberators”
    as she called them, and as she calls them to this day.

    I know these things because I have heard these stories my entire
    life, from my mother Magda Zelamanvoics. I am Georg Zelmanovics.
    That is my real name, changed to Selby by an American court in
    1955. Magada Zelmanovics is my mother, my hero, and an
    eyewitness to the truth about the men of the 183rd Combat

    An anti-Nazi, German theologian, Martin Neimoler, said this at the
    end of the war:

    “First they came for the Communists,
    and I said nothing because I wasn’t a Communist.
    Then they came for the Trade Unionists,
    and I said nothing because I wasn’t a Trade Unionist.
    Then they came for the Jews,
    and I said nothing because I wasn’t a Jew.
    Then they came for me
    and there was no one left to speak out for me.”

    It is up to us, the living, to tell the truth about the war, to remember
    those who suffered and perished, and to make certain that nothing
    like this will ever happen again.
    Never again.

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    Omowale Jabali The Cosmic Journeyman PREMIUM MEMBER

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