Black People : Blackpresence and BN Village - Phishing Sites

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  1. ngbebbee

    ngbebbee New Member MEMBER

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    Blackpresence and BN Village

    blackpresence. journalspace .com

    I want to warn other black people about a racist scam which is spreading
    over the internet.

    Blackpresence (previously Black British Forums) and BNVillage
    are message boards that are being run by a racist hacker. If you read the blackpresence blog (link above)
    then look around the internet, you will find that this person is a nazi with a history of violence.
    He has been to prison twice for organizing racist attacks.

    The idea behind it is to lure black people to a central point where
    there computers can be hacked and private information stolen from their
    computer hard disk.

    This information often includes the victim's home address (from letters etc.).
    In some cases, if the victim is especially vulnerable (e.g. lone mother, disabled, elderly
    black female), the hacker uses local racists to attack them. Most people don't realize
    that they have had their computer hacked and can't understand why they are
    suddenly being targeted, so the hacker doesn't get caught.

    Both Blackpresence and BNVillage have a terrible reputation for ID theft.
    Blackpresence has been through at least FOUR forum re-vamps in the last couple of years.
    Why? Because they wanted to get rid of all the complaints about hacking out
    of the archives. As soon as anyone complains on their messageboard, some excuse
    is found to wipe all their previous posts. If you have a look at the Blackpresence page of the blog you will see a sample 'Joke' from the old message board. The owner of this board says that he is a
    young black man with a family. Yet he claimed that he didn't notice that his board was covered in racist 'jokes' just like this one! When he was challenged he wiped the archives so people wouldn't see that he is a liar. Why would a genuine black person do these things?

    The latest trick is to drop the old 'Black British Forum' name completely and use
    their URL title ' Blackpresence '.

    The really bad thing about this is that respectable message boards, with an established black management structure like 'The Voice', are being hacked out of existence by the same white racistwho runs a string of fake boards. 'Black Information Link' (BLINK) was another forum run by an established
    black run organization, 'The 1990 Trust' and it too was hacked by this guy. In the end they had to shut it down.

    Both Blackpresence and BN Village look like genuine message boards, because they want to trick people into joining. Behind the scenes however, they are both being run by a nasty racist hacker.

    Have a look at the blog (especially the BN Village page) and you will find well documented
    screenshots which prove that these boards are fakes.

    If you want to get this scam stopped, please spread the word and link to this post and the blog as much as possible. Thanks.
     
  2. Destee

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    ngbebbee ... while there is a part of me that wants to thank and welcome you for joining us, sharing, etc. ... i must say ... your warning looks suspicious.

    How do we know that you are not the racist hacker that you speak of?

    How do we know that the link you've posted above, doesn't do exactly what you say happens from these other sites?

    How do we know that you aren't here simply to undermine the integrity of these other Black sites?

    How do we know that clicking the link you've provided above, won't take us to a place that hacks our computers?

    How do we know you're not someone angry with those sites, banned or something, and are now trying to disparage them?

    You come in screaming wolf ... but we don't even know who you are ... who are you?

    It's too easy to say something ugly about another site / site owner, on a message board, knowing many will be inclined to believe it just because they read it.

    Having been on the receiving end of like web postings, people's attempts at disparaging us, lying on me, etc. ... well, this looks all too familiar.

    This is suspicious in my opinion, and i caution the Family in believing it, or visiting the site you've posted.

    :heart:

    Destee
     
  3. ngbebbee

    ngbebbee New Member MEMBER

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    Blackpresence and BN Village

    Hi Destee,
    and thankyou for taking the trouble to reply. I appreciate it is difficult to trust unknown people on the internet. Unfortunately, victims of crime are often chosen by criminals precisely because of their social isolation. Looking at it from our point of view, trying to warn other black people that we don't know, is the only way of getting this out in the open.

    As to whether I have a grudge against these forums. If you could look at the blog, you would see that all the allegations against BN Village and Blackpresence are backed up with screenshots. If you mention anything connected with this scam the threads are locked off and posts are deleted. Other people have had trouble with BN Village. See

    http://www.*************/forums/vent/22325-blackpresence-bn-village.html

    As far as I know Afrochat is a respectable board, but you may think this is a malicious link to a phishing site, so again nobody can check it out.

    If I was the racist you suspect me of being, it is hardly likely that I would promote a genuine, black owned board like 'The Voice'. This board is a owned by a black newspaper in the U.K. It has a long tradition of dealing with black issues. It has a proper postal address and offices where members can check out who is running it. In my opinion 'The Voice's' reputation is beyond reproach. Unfortunately, it has been virtually brought to its knees by exactly the same hacker who runs BN Village and Blackpresence. The blog makes this dichotomy very clear. The only two black run boards that you could trust implicitly because they had proper offices - 'The Voice' and 'Blink' - have been severely attacked or spammed out of existence. 'The Voice' has virtually no members and 'BLINK' was shut down. Yet look at BN Village and Blackpresence - no problems and business is booming.

    The blog shows screenshots of the hacker working under the name of BICRE, destroying 'BLINK' with trolling and spam. Then there is another shot showing he was a member of 'The Voice', which was also attacked. BICRE claimed that he was a genuine black revolutionary, but guess which symbol he chose to put on his own web page? - an 'eye rolling golliwog'. How many black people are going to do this? There is a screenshot on the blog which shows that BICRE did this.

    The crucial topic that was rigorously censored on BN Village and Blackpresence is as follows.
    The hacker steals home addresses, phone numbers, children's photographs etc., from people's computer hard discs. This information is used to organize racist attacks on black people, and most particularly, black disabled people and single mothers.

    The vital piece of security advice is to keep all your private documents on a separate, NON-internet computer. Hundreds of victims have been caught out because they didn't do this. If you genuinely believe I am a racist, then why would I warn other black people that their data could be stolen and how to protect it?

    If this sort of data theft is not going on at BN Village and Blackpresence, then why have they deleted every posting which warns people about the scam AGAIN and AGAIN and AGAIN? Blackpresence wiped the whole board FOUR times in two years. This happened straight after the warning was posted on each occasion. The screenshots of the deleted information are in the 'Black British Forums' section of the blog.

    In the final analysis, if you don't trust me I can only offer you the following advice:

    1) Get a senior member of your forum to check out the blog http://blackpresence.journalspace.com on a public computer (internet cafe perhaps). If you think it checks out then other members can take a look.
    2) Back up all your private data onto a non-internet computer, so that if you are hacked, this creep wont find out anything about you or your kids.
    3) Join 'The Voice' message board. They need the support of genuine black people to make the board thrive and get rid of the scum.

    If you still think I am a racist, then you will just have to let the hacker continue attacking black people while you sit on your butts.
     
  4. ngbebbee

    ngbebbee New Member MEMBER

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    I found some more information which backs up the claims made in the blog. This is real and it is happening now.

    All Admins' should read this so that they can spot the signs of a board takeover. If you don't feel suspicious about Blackpresence and BN Village and always shoot the messenger instead, that is up to you. But you can no longer deny that message boards in general can be used for data theft and the control of the black community. This text explains very clearly the formal techniques involved.

    I am not allowed to post links so have written this one out 'long hand.'
    double u double u double u dot blackpresence dot journalspace dot com

    Text Follows:

    Techniques for dilution, misdirection and control of a internet forum..

    There are several techniques for the control and manipulation of a internet forum no matter what, or who is on it. We will go over each technique and demonstrate that only a minimal number of operatives can be used to eventually and effectively gain a control of a 'uncontrolled forum.'

    Technique #1 - 'FORUM SLIDING'

    If a very sensitive posting of a critical nature has been posted on a forum - it can be quickly removed from public view by 'forum sliding.' In this technique a number of unrelated posts are quietly prepositioned on the forum and allowed to 'age.' Each of these misdirectional forum postings can then be called upon at will to trigger a 'forum slide.' The second requirement is that several fake accounts exist, which can be called upon, to ensure that this technique is not exposed to the public. To trigger a 'forum slide' and 'flush' the critical post out of public view it is simply a matter of logging into each account both real and fake and then 'replying' to prepositined postings with a simple 1 or 2 line comment. This brings the unrelated postings to the top of the forum list, and the critical posting 'slides' down the front page, and quickly out of public view. Although it is difficult or impossible to censor the posting it is now lost in a sea of unrelated and unuseful postings. By this means it becomes effective to keep the readers of the forum reading unrelated and non-issue items.

    Technique #2 - 'CONSENSUS CRACKING'

    A second highly effective technique (which you can see in operation all the time at .abovetopsecret . com) is 'consensus cracking.' To develop a consensus crack, the following technique is used. Under the guise of a fake account a posting is made which looks legitimate and is towards the truth is made - but the critical point is that it has a VERY WEAK PREMISE without substantive proof to back the posting. Once this is done then under alternative fake accounts a very strong position in your favour is slowly introduced over the life of the posting. It is IMPERATIVE that both sides are initially presented, so the uninformed reader cannot determine which side is the truth. As postings and replies are made the stronger 'evidence' or disinformation in your favour is slowly 'seeded in.' Thus the uninformed reader will most like develop the same position as you, and if their position is against you their opposition to your posting will be most likely dropped. However in some cases where the forum members are highly educated and can counter your disinformation with real facts and linked postings, you can then 'abort' the consensus cracking by initiating a 'forum slide.'

    Technique #3 - 'TOPIC DILUTION'

    Topic dilution is not only effective in forum sliding it is also very useful in keeping the forum readers on unrelated and non-productive issues. This is a critical and useful technique to cause a 'RESOURCE BURN.' By implementing continual and non-related postings that distract and disrupt (trolling ) the forum readers they are more effectively stopped from anything of any real productivity. If the intensity of gradual dilution is intense enough, the readers will effectively stop researching and simply slip into a 'gossip mode.' In this state they can be more easily misdirected away from facts towards uninformed conjecture and opinion. The less informed they are the more effective and easy it becomes to control the entire group in the direction that you would desire the group to go in. It must be stressed that a proper assessment of the psychological capabilities and levels of education is first determined of the group to determine at what level to 'drive in the wedge.' By being too far off topic too quickly it may trigger censorship by a forum moderator.

    Technique #4 - 'INFORMATION COLLECTION'

    Information collection is also a very effective method to determine the psychological level of the forum members, and to gather intelligence that can be used against them. In this technique in a light and positive environment a 'show you mine so me yours' posting is initiated. From the number of replies and the answers that are provided much statistical information can be gathered. An example is to post your 'favourite weapon' and then encourage other members of the forum to showcase what they have. In this matter it can be determined by reverse proration what percentage of the forum community owns a firearm, and or a illegal weapon. This same method can be used by posing as one of the form members and posting your favourite 'technique of operation.' From the replies various methods that the group utilizes can be studied and effective methods developed to stop them from their activities.

    Technique #5 - 'ANGER TROLLING'

    Statistically, there is always a percentage of the forum posters who are more inclined to violence. In order to determine who these individuals are, it is a requirement to present a image to the forum to deliberately incite a strong psychological reaction. From this the most violent in the group can be effectively singled out for reverse IP location and possibly local enforcement tracking. To accomplish this only requires posting a link to a video depicting a local police officer massively abusing his power against a very innocent individual. Statistically of the million or so police officers in America there is always one or two being caught abusing there powers and the taping of the activity can be then used for intelligence gathering purposes - without the requirement to 'stage' a fake abuse video. This method is extremely effective, and the more so the more abusive the video can be made to look. Sometimes it is useful to 'lead' the forum by replying to your own posting with your own statement of violent intent, and that you 'do not care what the authorities think!!' inflammation. By doing this and showing no fear it may be more effective in getting the more silent and self-disciplined violent intent members of the forum to slip and post their real intentions. This can be used later in a court of law during prosecution.

    Technique #6 - 'GAINING FULL CONTROL'

    It is important to also be harvesting and continually maneuvering for a forum moderator position. Once this position is obtained, the forum can then be effectively and quietly controlled by deleting unfavourable postings - and one can eventually steer the forum into complete failure and lack of interest by the general public. This is the 'ultimate victory' as the forum is no longer participated with by the general public and no longer useful in maintaining their freedoms. Depending on the level of control you can obtain, you can deliberately steer a forum into defeat by censoring postings, deleting memberships, flooding, and or accidentally taking the forum offline. By this method the forum can be quickly killed. However it is not always in the interest to kill a forum as it can be converted into a 'honey pot' gathering center to collect and misdirect newcomers and from this point be completely used for your control for your agenda purposes.

    CONCLUSION

    Remember these techniques are only effective if the forum participants DO NOT KNOW ABOUT THEM. Once they are aware of these techniques the operation can completely fail, and the forum can become uncontrolled. At this point other avenues must be considered such as initiating a false legal precidence to simply have the forum shut down and taken offline. This is not desirable as it then leaves the enforcement agencies unable to track the percentage of those in the population who always resist attempts for control against them. Many other techniques can be utilized and developed by the individual and as you develop further techniques of infiltration and control it is imperative to share then with HQ.

    I hope this will serve as a supplement to the evidence already provided.
     
  5. mazimtaim

    mazimtaim Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    Been to the Black Village. I was actually a participator for a number of years. I was surprised to see just how much hatred Africans had for each other. I never suspected it was a fake site.

    Well, I months ago and haven't been back. I guess I will return to say one final goodbye.
     
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