Black People : Black Nationalism and anarchism

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  1. African_Prince

    African_Prince Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    After researching the issue extensively in the past few days ( I still have a lot more to learn ), I've come to the conclusion that I am an anarcho-communist ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchist_communism ). I think it would make good sense for all Black nationalists who live in predominately White countries to advocate for the abolition of state so that Black people can form their own politically, economically and socially self-reliant communities without having to pay taxes to predominately White governments or participate in the larger, predominately White society. As long as Black people are a minority in the U.S, Canada, England etc., they will always be subject to the rule of the non-Black majority. I'm not saying that I hate White people or advocate racial separatism or anything like that but minority interests can never be fully considered in a representative democracy where decisions directly affecting minority communities are made by the majority (or even larger minorities, considering how many people in a country don't vote and the fact that there are usually more than 2 political parties), actually, they aren't even made directly by the supposed majority themselves but by an even smaller minority elected to represent them.

    I think anarchism would also be good for Black people in African countries as it would eliminate both our national debts and government corruption, the two primary factors in sub-saharan African poverty. African unity requires the abolition of political, social and economic inequality betwen African people. Anarchism means freedom, voluntary, non-totalitarian communism means equality.
     
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    too many lazy mofos for this political construct to work in america....

    one love
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    There are different schools of anarchist thought, the two basic ones are individualist anarchism and social anarchism. Individualist anarchists advocate a free market enterprise without government regulation. However, many social anarchists argue that individualist anarchism isn't true anarchism since capitalists are figures of authority (people depend on them for employment, they have an unfair advantage since they own means of production and their workers don't fully benefit from their own labor) and anarchism rejects all authority, not just the state.


    The three main social anarchist schools of thought are anarcho-communism, anarcho-socialism and anarcho-collectivism (I'm not entirely sure where anarcho-socialissm and anarcho-collectivism differ). Anarcho communists, like Peter Kropotkin, advocated fully egalitarian societies where workers could use resources according to their need and their need alone. Socialists like Proudhon rejected communism, contrary to popular belief, socialism doesn't necessarily mean an end to class inequality, it only means that the workers alone own their own means of production. Mikhail Bakunin also rejected the full-blown egalitarianism of Kropotkin and argued that wages should be based on what workers have invested into their labour (ie. time, I'm not sure if this would also include effort, kind of labour etc.). Remember that if communities are formed of free individuals who voluntarily associate with one another, if someone is being lazy and not putting in their full share of work, they could simply be expelled from the community..
     
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    interesting idea, and what would even promote your hypothesis....


    ....is to send Wesley Snipes some literature regarding your ideas about not paying taxes.
     
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    um....

    how long before your country was invaded and run by some non anarchist state?
     
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    This is why the existence of a state anywhere is a threat to the existence of free individuals everywhere.

    All national borders should be 'erased' (ie. no longer recognized as legitimate) and people should be free to move around and form voluntary, self-autonomous communities with other free, ungoverned individuals.

    Again, I'm not against egalitarian social organization (ie. some kind of non-authoritarian, 'military' defense to protect the interests of free communities or even a federation of free communities), what I'm against is hierarchical social organization that operates through representative democracy rather than direct democracy.
     
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    the state of California has direct democracy with it's initiatives system.
    that has made the state ungovernable.
     
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    SOCIAL anarchy--which is exactly why some of our miseducated people mistakenly associate with already being free--plagues far too many of our communities as it is!

    SOCIAL rebellion was and is as far as some of them feel they need resort to--hence is why some of anything and everything is condoned--not condemned--just to survive--even to strive--these days!

    And we can easily see where that's got us too!

    But, we've got to come up with something better than that, for the sake of our human dignity, etc.

    :fyi:

     
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