Discussion in 'Black People Open Forum' started by Ankhur, Nov 24, 2009.
Cosnorati... the Illuminati
More from the SELL OUT NEGRO!Cosby is condescending and a hypocrite
In the album cover there is a mouse, other little animals and hidden images. From pudding pops to Hip-Hop.. Hay.. Hay.. hay..
Pairing the words Black and Conscious ( aware, mindful ) in the title. And it pertains to COSBY is an oxymoron.
First off, you’re Bill Cosby; you’ve openly criticized Black youth and urban culture. Not only that, but as Jessie Jackson would say you “talked down to Black people.”
But yet now you come with a project to reach the youth?
What makes Bill Cosby a hypocrite?
Do you not see the issues that Bill Cosby raised as problems?
Is it because he "openly" criticized Black youth that make his comments offensive, or do you not see a problem with the issues he raised?
How does one address the problems Bill Cosby addressed in a direct manner without talking "down" to those who make those choices? How can we build wealth in our community if children are spending $150 on gym shoes and nothing on books? How can we build wealth if we are spending thousands of dollars on 24" wheels when those thousands immediately leave the community? Most importantly, how can we reverse these things if nobody stands up and speaks out??? How can a person stand up and speak out without being accused of "openly" criticizing Black youth? How can a person tell Black youth these things are harmful to our community and hinders growth and progress without being accused of "criticizing" Black youth?
Would it be better if our leaders, like Jessie Jackson, ignored the problems we have control over and only addressed the problems that put money in their pockets or make them look important?
I look forward to your answers.
The Temple of Hiphop promotes concious Hiphop as a committed lifestyle
I am not sure if rap is even concious although many pretend that they are
seeks to exploit Hiphop cause we rising to the top
And president Obama did what in his speech on Father's day???
I don't think anyone on this board or on your block
wants to crucify Malcolm X
for the girls he turned out or got strung out or the bodies under him,
when he was crimin,
so realy what's up with the judgementalism, a
ny one has the capacity and the right to change!!!
Hypocrite - a person who pretends to have virtues, moral or religious beliefs, principles…a person who feigns ( play ) some desirable or publicly approved attitude.
Cosby statements are based on his embarrassment of the black race.
He would change his skin color to avoid the stigma. ( shame )
At any functions and around whites. Even if your not affluent and in the circle ( never on an individual one on one bases ) at a function. They will take a stab at asking a black person in their presence the questions they would like to criticize blacks about. The circle of others give them witness and protection.
Why questions… and they will talk about the conservative gander about pulling one’s self up by the boot straps and the welfare stereo-types stories they like to portray. Making the listener uneasy and hope he / she say’s something that supports their position.
The issues he raised are problems.
It’s how he raised them and where he aired them.
He could have easily pulled together someone like Dr. Cornell West. Held talks that were centered to make his points.
Jesse Jackson is a hypocrite as well. He is not a leader.
Bill’s approach puts money in his pocket.
It was suggested if he is so powerfully concerned he could have made these CD’s and distributed them to the children. he could recoup by writing off the donations.
He could donate so many to education institutions and churches he claims should buy them and use to open dialog.
Ok sell out... I will tone that.
But he is not representative of a man I even like listening too any more. Supporting his program events, or television reruns of the shows he piloted. little Bill was for the young. the Cosby kids cartoon was for the old teen.
It's message was not representative. The Cosby show was not either representitive of real issues and how to deal with them.
affulent Blacks or the Middle Class as soon as they think they have made it.
No longer talk the same. act the same. They start fronting nonsense.
Medicating in their own minds the ( redrafting ) real issues... and inoculating themselves away from them.
Did a single episode of Cosby ever have his son ( Theo ) experimenting with drugs?
With lesson learned and dangers of use.
His daughther bringing home a smooth criminal and having to navigate him back out of her life?
Never... She brougt home another DOCTOR to be.
Approved stereotypes that are missed and not the real examples to portray if you have a message at all.
But he had his hands tied.. understood. he was doing what he could.
But his rant he made out in public is the problem.
If you are hindeed in one place and you go along and harbor something else underneath
You are not being truthful.
I am courteous all the time. But I will get like a Inner city negro when needed.
I will tell my boss he is wrong. Fire me.
( I have lost jobs , not because I cursed or acted out.
I lost them because I spoke up against discrimination and wrong doing even if it
didn't involve me... especially for other minority's )
If it involved anyone.. it would eventually involve me.
A wrong is wrong and should have the light turned on it.
I have skills I aquired and I will make it without selling out my virtue and pride.
Bill Cosby was corraled to get along to get the show on. Who wouldn't do that?
But when he came out hard on the same issues. He had no program on TV to loose. He delivered incorrectly. He didn't establish a solution. He chastised without offering his financial wealth, influence and understanding.
In the manner he did his criticizing he went as far. And called the parents dumb or uneducated. Ignoring the facts and truth. That many of the problems while known and experienced. Have no funding to correct and educate. Have no social program to aid the issues. Have no solutions put forward by those like himself who could place his money where his mouth is.
Local woman have put classes of children thru college to help. Giving them incentive to straighten up. Do better and care about doing better.
Black children and many adults do not respond to logic.
You can't get these children to understand how important math is.
They do not see the reasons to do their best in everything they are involved in.
Cutting corners to get back to the relaxing we enjoy without completing the extra effort and planning, sacrifice needed to get to a given level.
I have sacrificed like my mother did. For me.
For mine. I will go hungry like my mother did.
My father didn't do a Dam thing to help raise me, my five sisters, and three brothers.
But we loved him regardless. we never disrespected him. We never blamed him.
We still don't and in his last days.. we were the one's there.
We have virtue, religious belief ( to honor him as GOD commands )
Alcohol messed up my father's mind.
The racism in America messed him up, and confused him.
He attacked the one's close to him, and was a coward when it came to facing ( responsibility ) and his boss.
The so called friends.
Those he thought mattered. He did small things.
But he didn't not perform like a man should to support and sacrifice for his children. He was lost.
There is no reason the lost of a parent should be a reason to whine and say I am having trouble
because I have no figure in my life to show me, to learn from, to show me or emulate.
Emulate someone else you respect, trust and admire. Aunt, Uncle, Cousin, Friend.. Stranger...etc...
Even a child knows right and wrong. grown up if they stop playing the blind mind games
they play on themselves will come to grow.
He left this world knowing we still loved him given his neglect and short-comings.
His new wife and kids.. takers.. and that will run out. They will fall.
They are takers and not a bone exist in them to survive without sucking the life out of someone.
I make sure my children get what they need.
The tools, the opportunity and education, and I stress and they understand.
It is not easy being Black in America. This is not easy for all the reason I explain.
Cosby, Condi Rice, Colin, Colin’s son, Powell, Jesse, Al Sharpton and Denny’s are people and places. I strongly hesitate to support.
Youth are those as old as 13, but to those over 18 the core crowd.
Can better understand ( West ) his positions and words if heard them or took the opportunity to listen.
I have heard Dr. Cornell speak on these issues in a professional and respectful manner.
It was above the understanding of children. Again. those 18 and over have no excuse not to hear and understand he has some valid points on the issue and some solutions in his answers.
Parents have a responsibility to teach and raise their children to act good-mannered, have respect for others property, space and to demand the same from others.
I charge the parents for the problems.
Teach ( your children ) how to obtain without selling drugs.
Learn yourself if you need to.
Do things to help them obtain.
Like buy a less expensive car, put the difference into them and what they need.
Go without a new suit or dress.
Buy them practical things and teach them to be satisfied until better can be done.
Young men especially. Boys need activity to excert the energy into.
Get them in little league baseball, or what ever.
Go the games.
Sitdown and have Family Time.
Men must take responsibility for their children.
Spend time... with your Daughther and Son.
Teach them... provide .. married or not...and stop trying to air to friends and playing the hipocritic role.
Many have no merit, quality to offer. Get some. Learn some.
Too dam busy saying the man is holding them down.
Their mind is held down and no one has a hand on it.
Instead run him over with your intelligence and fortitude.
He has no weapon against that.
Black Parents are being hipocrite's.
In church and have no godly bones or virtue in their body.
Tupac had virtue. He practiced what he preached.
Malcolm had virtue. He practiced what he came to learn and understand.
even a stuck clock is right twice a day.....
no one has been more critical of cosby than i have.
i now support this project.
a bad man can do good. a good man can do bad.
while mindful of past behaviour, i am looking at what you do today.
if what you do today is positive i am going to support that.
I don't know. Post it. What did he say or do?
What is the premise behind you saying this?
Given anyone has this capacity. Why don't more change?
Is it internalized misconceptions of what is happening to them and around them?
Is it a stubborn mind set, that lacks skill to see ways out of a trap or position?
There is always a better position or place one can take themselves without moving from the room.
It is in the mind. It is in the exposure sought, provided or obtained.
Self sufficating kills the one doing so. Eyes can see distance.
Watch a Barney episode.
It's all in the mind. If you imagine and believe, you can achieve.
If not all, your further along than yesterday.
In thinking and opening up to allow something good to come in.
Can not enter a closed mind.
There is no mystery in GOD's gifts.
People, things and opportunity will be placed in your life once you open your heart and mind
to be happy ( thankful ) just to be alive.
Become a receiver. A thankful and GOD fearing individual.
Heaven can't help if the ( attitude ) spirit is blocking the recipient from receiving.
The self defeating skills kick in.
The excuses take over, the rationizing takes place, the I am not worthy takes over. ANGER sets in MORE! Disapointment is a cover.
Childen get disappointed when they don't get a cookie or candy.. if the child grows up with those same defeating skills. They are defeated adults.
Human nature is complete something. Get back on track by small completions of education, job training, grow up and buy your own cookies, those shoes you wanted and didn't get.
When I interrupted or stopped my children mid stream on anything.
I put them back in touch after that interruption so they could complete.
If I denied them today, we planned together to save and get it tomorrow.
They understand you can't have everything.. when they want, or because they want it.
They understand they will get it in due time.
Thru sacrifice on my part and their part to wait and be patient.
They also work for it chores.
The I am not deserving happens, bad decisons and answers abound and are made.
oh.. well this proves it ... It never goes right for me attitude becomes a mantra.
( in reality nothing is proved or gained by quitting.. pursue your dreams like you would a good love life. )
A full plate of bad taste can not hold a good biscuit.
No and Never are two words that should not be given a permanent base in anyone's life.
I am not judgmental.
To the point of being negative or disapproving like you are about Obama.
I grew up with Cosby.
Until he said the things openly and in the media he said. He was Ok with me. He did the wrong thing in the wrong venue. So now he is not alright with me. That is not judgmental.
Your views reflect the right, the conservative view of this Black Man.
You think he got a real break because he attended a good school?
Had a white parent?
One drop rule. Practiced and played here.
This man has reached a position in American History that may never be repeated.
I won't be buying the Cd or promoting it, but you are correct.
bill cosby is being a cornball
Separate names with a comma.