Jails / Prisons : Black Men and Prison - Fleece Johnson - Can a Homosexual be Made?

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  1. Destee

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    Peace and Blessings Family,

    Can a homosexual be made? Based on what this Brother is saying, that is exactly what the prison system creates ... men who have sex with each other ... and with so many of our Black Men being warehoused in these places ... disproportionately so ... should we be concerned that they are making our men homosexual?

    Can a homosexual be made, or are they all born homosexual?

    If they aren't all born that way, how can you tell one from the other ... or does it even matter ... born that way or conditioned to be this way?


    MSNBC Lockup Series Segment - Fleece Johnson

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-JjldxU-pA




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    Hello Destee..

    It all depends,do you mean when they come out prison,they become gay? if this is it,then the answer is no. I know many people that did what they had to do in prison and left that life when they left prison. You Military men that have sex with Transvestites oversees that is as straight as an arrow. You are what you are,and if you like men the you have that propensity for liking men.

    I had a friend in the Navy that was kissing and feeling all up on what we all thought was a woman. He turned her/him down when he "felt" that she/he was a man. Days latter he told me that he went back and satisfied his curiosity. Now me,I never gave it a second though to even talk to that tranny,why, because I don't swing that way.

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    Brother Enki ... Welcome Home ... :wave:

    I don't understand your response, this question specifically ... "It all depends,do you me come out prison and become gay?" ... can you rephrase it please?

    Meanwhile, you bring up an interesting point, suggesting that one can engage in homosexual activity, yet not be homosexual.

    "Military men that have sex with Transvestites oversees that is as straight as an arrow."

    Is that what you're saying? If so, what then makes one a homosexual, if engaging in homosexual acts isn't the determining factor.

    Thanks for sharing!

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    Hello Destee :wave:

    I was watching a doc on prison relations and some of the men on there was saying that even though they were having sex with men in the prisons that they were not gay.

    :10500:

    I don't think most of these men go in gay, I think that being in there and not being able to have the pleasures of a woman, I think this can even be said with women prisons, desperate times call for desperate measures

    OH...

    AND LMAO@ the name "Booty Warrior" :SuN049:
     
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    Hey Sister MsInterpret ... :wave:

    Yes, i have heard the men saying this too, that they are engaging in the behavior, but are removed from the ramifications of doing so. Unfortunately though, there are not many (if any) life situations, where you can take part in a thing and come out completely untouched. It's not logical. Life just doesn't happen that way, I don't think.

    I can understand them taking that position ... trying to distance themselves from their own behavior ... but it sounds a lot like denial to me. Perhaps a coping mechanism for the many Brothers that have found themselves incarcerated and faced with the very present dread of being sexed by another man. I'd imagine that most Brothers don't even offer this very weak explanation, choosing rather to pretend it never happened, while carrying the great burden of it throughout their life.

    In addition, once these Brothers have been introduced to man on man sex, are they ever really the same again? Can they act as if it never happened? Can it be undone? Does it take them to a place from whence they can never fully return? Are there prices our communities are paying right now, great prices, for giving this prison system young strong Black Men ... and having returned to us ... only a semblance of the same?

    Is this a cost we should be concerned about, since so many of our young men are going to prison (and returning from there) every day?

    Thanks for sharing Sister!

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    I never got the pants sagging thing. It's interesting to hear the "Booty Warriors" comments on it. It's also interesting that he said "I want cha...we can do this the easy way or the hard way...and it would always be YES"

    Fleece "Booty Warrior" Johnson don't appear to have enough size, strength, or intimidating features to get a brother to give it up by a mere chat.

    For a straight man, the thought of homosexual sex is disqusting and sick. I don't think that being forced into it would make them say "wow, that wasn't bad at all...don't knock it until you try it...I think I like it now" A straight man would be humiliated.

    I think Fleece "Booty Warrior" Johnson is just a pervert who probably prefers women, but if he was free he would probably be like Antoine said about the Huntsville rapist..."Hide yo' kids, hide yo' wives, hide yo' husbands" cause the "Booty Warrior" rapin errybody up in here" He don't care, he just wants to get off.
     
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    No

    Men will rape weaker men in prison, or buy sex from other men, but usually do not have those inclinations when they get out.
    Conversations with friends or family who have been locked up for more then 10 years, would make things clear.

    From a show on WBAI last week the statistics state tha the biggest offenders in the penitentiary are actually the staff, and one wonders what makes some men become workers in the correction system.

    sexual attitudes and what feels comfortale to men and women are different.
    For a hetero sexual man, the thought of the act with another man is repugnant, kinda like necrophilia,
    however women can and do get involved in lesbian relationships if they feel fed up with men, or have had too many heartbreaks.

    There has been an obvious increase in lesbianism among Black and Latino girls between the ages of 13 -17, and anyone who has rode a bus or train during school transit hours in any big city can tell that.
     
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    I don't get the same impression of this Brother, that you do. I see him as a Brother, like any other, caught deeper in the traps and snares than most.

    I do agree that a straight man would probably find homosexual acts disgusting and sick, but many a straight man are faced with the prospect of having to engage in such. If they are one of the unfortunate ones, forced to submit, humiliation is no doubt present.

    A debilitating humiliation for a man, i'd imagine. One that they would carry inside themselves like a cancer, eating away at them, as they embark upon their newfound freedom out of prison ... creating relationships with women, creating children, raising them ... all with this overwhelming psychological devastation on their entire being, simmering right under the surface.

    No, they probably don't jump up and down screaming for their next homosexual experience, but they are much more inclined to take part in more, as a direct result of taking part at all (the first time). In addition, it's been said, the abused becomes the abuser ... and well ... if one is raped, be it man or woman, it's abuse and has long term, invasive, psychological effects ... often for a lifetime.

    For women, the abuse is often met with kind consideration, offers of therapy, etc. ... a Black Man coming from prison, gets nothing, but the humiliation you spoke of.

    This is fast becoming the end for many Black Men ... prison ... and while you have escaped it, you must hope your children and grandchildren fare as well.

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    The weaker men that get raped in prison, are they homosexual after the rape, or are they still straight?

    Is the one doing the raping, or buying sex, engaging in homosexual acts in prison ... are they homosexual?

    How can you say they usually don't have inclinations once they get out? What are you using to determine another person's inclination?

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