Black People : Black Indians: Our Story (So Far)!

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  1. chuck

    chuck Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    Descendants of Freed Slaves Object to $3.4 Billion Settlement With Tribes
    By JAMIE CURTIS


    COLUMBUS, Ohio (CN) - Descendants of slaves once owned by Native Americans demand a cut of a $3.4 billion class-action settlement that Congress is reviewing, from the case of Cobell v. Ken Salazar. The Harvest Institute Freedom Federation claims that the settlement resolving the Department of the Interior's centuries-long abuse of Native American trust funds "perpetuates past unlawful racial discrimination" by failing to compensate "Freedmen slaves of the Five Civilized tribes."

    Some freedmen were given membership in some tribes after slavery was abolished, according to the federal complaint.

    The so-called Five Civilized tribes were the Cherokee, Creek, Choctaw, Chickasaw and Seminoles.

    Note: This is related to the legacy of slave owning mixed bloods aka of white and indigenous ancestry, whose descendants carried on the 'family business', in spite of being exiled themselves to what is now part of Oklahoma, after the forced removal of other indigenous folk, during the late 1830's. in order to open up indigenous lands in the southeastern part of today's United States to white setttlement etc.

    Ironically enough, the same thing happened all over again, during the late 19th century, which is why new white setttlement enabled Oklahoma to become a state, too...

    I. e, the issues/problems/etc. revolve around disputed citizenship rights etc., agreed upon by earlier treaties, since some indian nations sided with the secessionist confederate states side, during the U. S. Civil War...CTJ

    Eloise Cobell, a Blackfoot, is lead plaintiff in a long-running class action against the Department of the Interior, which spent, lost and otherwise abused billions of dollars it was supposed to hold in trust for Native Americans, for more than a century.

    The class action turned up a history of such incompetence and deceit over so many years that the federal judge hearing the case in Washington, D.C., Royce Lambeth, eventually was removed from it after a series of blistering rulings against the federal government. The case was settled in December 2009.

    The settlement calls for $1.4 billion to go to plaintiffs and their attorneys, and $2 billion to be used to repurchase land that the government gave away or sold.

    The legislation at issue, the American Workers, State and Business Relief Act of 2010, was approved by the Senate on May 18. A vote is pending on the House version, H.R. 4213.

    The Harvest Institute wants that vote enjoined, claiming that it will irreparably harm the descendants of freedmen, unless their claims are considered.

    The Harvest Institute claim that the Five Civilized Tribes made treaties with the Confederacy during the Civil War, but that the United States has not repudiated its obligations to the rebellious tribes, though the legislation in effect repudiates its obligation to their slaves.

    The class wants approval of the settlement enjoined, and the House vote enjoined, until the class's rights are considered.

    The class is represented by Percy Squire of Columbus.
     
  2. chuck

    chuck Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    A disclaimer:

    The original Cobell settlement was and is related to land held in trust etc., whereas proceeds from the leasing of suchlike to private individuals/corporations, etc., which were eventualy meant to be passed along to members of various indian nations, the original caretakers of what is now part of this white dominated nation, whereas even that normallly impression among of billions is a sad commentary on what those thousands of indigenous folk are due, and the typical payout may well be no or little more than a couple of thosands, i. e., sincebecause of the 'bad bookkeeping' over the decades etc., not even their lawyers could come up with a goo guess exactly made fortunes at their clients expense?

    So, while I consider myself to be an ally etc. to the Freedmen Descendants, I must admit to having second thoughts, etc.i. e., so just consider this one an information only commentary, and a brief overview of how U. S. officials continue to treat all indigenous folk, as though they aren't able or willing to handle their own business, whereas other folk have been sent to jail, via their past shady accounting policies and practices...

    The short version:

    The Cobell settlement is consider demeaning and insulting thruout Indian Country...

    And, may the Freedmen Descendants find better means/ways/etc. to resolve their issue/problems/etc. with some of the other parties, who also probably expected far more--are bound to wind up with a lot less than any of their people truly deserve...

    :10500:
     
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    Fight on... I say. Too bad my folks were too uncivilized to be part of the 5 Civilized Tribes.
     
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    yeah likewise here .
     
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    they can spend their money on a name change....

    The 5 Civilized Tribes.....

    Gee, I wonder who named them that? :em3700: :rolleyes:

    I hope they aren't still calling themselves that. They should go back to 'Noble Savages' or something more..... noble :em3700:
     
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    chuck Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    Good afternoon, posters...

    And, indeed, five centuries of white contact etc. has made a mess of human relations, etc., be it in group or outgroup contacts etc., here/there/everywhere, including among the peoples of this particular continent, etc.

    But, in the case of black/indian relations, via the present day USA, ignorance doggone sure ain't 'bliss'!

    Brother Blackbird has come the closest to being candid and honest about it all:

    I also will try to be as fair and objective...

    No...

    Indigenous folk never invited our african ancestors here...

    Though most of our african ancestors because they had no sayso in the matter to begin with!

    And...

    I know how the one party feels...

    Also I think it is neither intelligent nor wise to go on denying the obvious either...

    Above and beyond that:

    The treaty violations-- by the so called 'cilivized' indian nations (in Oklahoma) vs. the Freedmen Descendants claims etc.--present us all with another bunch of unique issues and problems etc.

    :SuN044:
     
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